Fury beats Ngannou and Usyk, while AJ avoids Wilder

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  • W1LL
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    #1

    Fury beats Ngannou and Usyk, while AJ avoids Wilder

    It's okay though, because AJ might fight Zhilei Zhang in China if Eddie Hearns can't find a more appealing option! Could also still get to sink our teeth into AJ-Whyte II. It's all Fury's fault. REEEEEEE!!!
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    #2
    Fury might not make it past ngannou.

    Fury most likely wins but think of all the big names Fury has beaten.

    Wilder and Wladimir are both fighters who throw to set up their offence and when attacked they go defensive and aren't really about counter punching.

    Ngannou on the other hand when attacked tends to find that ko punch in the middle of the other guys combinations or attack so I see this fight as somewhat interesting.

    I think Fury would have had nightmares with Louis Ortiz and joshua in his prime as they were good counter punchers so it will be interesting to see if the boxing talentless Ngannou will land anything significant while Fury inevitably opens up on him down the stretch with his natural counter reactions and whether Ngannou at that point will have enough mustard on his shots to hurt Fury..


    I see Fury fight extremely negative against Ngannou with a lot of booing...if fury tries to ice ngannou like he did to wilder in the second I could see ngannou stopping him.
    Last edited by Stuntman Mike; 09-30-2023, 05:06 AM.

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    • hugh grant
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      #3
      Whos wilder fighting if not agains Josh? Josh can fight zhang anytime in future its always there.

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        #4
        Very original post.

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          #5
          Originally posted by Stuntman Mike
          Fury might not make it past ngannou.

          Fury most likely wins but think of all the big names Fury has beaten.

          Wilder and Wladimir are both fighters who throw to set up their offence and when attacked they go defensive and aren't really about counter punching.

          Ngannou on the other hand when attacked tends to find that ko punch in the middle of the other guys combinations or attack so I see this fight as somewhat interesting.

          I think Fury would have had nightmares with Louis Ortiz and joshua in his prime as they were good counter punchers so it will be interesting to see if the boxing talentless Ngannou will land anything significant while Fury inevitably opens up on him down the stretch with his natural counter reactions and whether Ngannou at that point will have enough mustard on his shots to hurt Fury..


          I see Fury fight extremely negative against Ngannou with a lot of booing...if fury tries to ice ngannou like he did to wilder in the second I could see ngannou stopping him.

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            #6
            Originally posted by hugh grant
            Whos wilder fighting if not agains Josh? Josh can fight zhang anytime in future its always there.
            He could, but would he?

            China doesn't seem to arsed about investing in big sporting events.

            And for all this talk of Zhang having this big Chinese fan base. Firstly that's based on nothing, it may not even be true, it doesnt look like it so far. The Chinese aren't that bothered about boxing. Thats why hes 40 and fighting as a B side or on undercards.

            People get things twisted and think because hes a well known chinese boxer he's going to somehow draw some huge money from there but it's not true it's. like when Frank Warren signed Indian fighters thinking he's going to tap into some big Indian market and it just wasn't there, China is the same.

            So really if he fights AJ, it's likely not gonna be in China for huge money, so why would AJ be rushing to fight him? Although at least you could get a mandatory status by beating him, that's the one benefit


            As for Wilder, I don't see him fighting unless it's for big money in the middle east. He's not even bothered about a tune up or anything. I think he just wants that last huge payday and nothing else.
            Last edited by deathofaclown; 09-30-2023, 06:10 AM.

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              #7
              Fury beats a non boxer but lets slag off joshua. What a t i t. That pathetic gyppo is fighting a man with ZERO boxing fights on his resume but some folk will still lick his balls all day long.

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                #8
                Originally posted by deathofaclown

                He could, but would he?

                China doesn't seem to arsed about investing in big sporting events.

                And for all this talk of Zhang having this big Chinese fan base. Firstly that's based on nothing, it may not even be true, it doesnt look like it so far. The Chinese aren't that bothered about boxing. Thats why hes 40 and fighting as a B side or on undercards.

                People get things twisted and think because hes a well known chinese boxer he's going to somehow draw some huge money from there but it's not true it's. like when Frank Warren signed Indian fighters thinking he's going to tap into some big Indian market and it just wasn't there, China is the same.

                So really if he fights AJ, it's likely not gonna be in China for huge money, so why would AJ be rushing to fight him? Although at least you could get a mandatory status by beating him, that's the one benefit


                As for Wilder, I don't see him fighting unless it's for big money in the middle east. He's not even bothered about a tune up or anything. I think he just wants that last huge payday and nothing else.
                Yes, nobody rushing to Zhang apart from chisora. Zhang playing waiting game.
                Shame wilder don't fancy Zhang as wilder hasn't knocked down anyone real tough chinned, and wilder wants to be known as hardest hitter? I mean stop a Ruiz or Zhang then you got legitimate claim
                Last edited by hugh grant; 09-30-2023, 06:29 AM.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by hugh grant

                  Yes, nobody rushing to Zhang apart from chisora. Zhang playing waiting game.
                  Shame wilder don't fancy Zhang as wilder hasn't knocked down anyone real tough chinned, and wilder wants to be known as hardest hitter?
                  He's still pretty high risk and low reward right now, until there's proof there's some big Chinese offer involved, which in my opinion is more hope than reality/expectation.

                  Ironically enough, I actually think theres a very good UK market for AJ v Zhang right now, despite everyone talking pie in the sky stuff about China.

                  I think Zhang built up enough stock in the UK by beating Joyce that him and AJ could do very well. Maybe at Spurs stadium or something. I know AJ hasn't been doing too well with tickets in the past couple of fights, but I think people would buy into him v Zhang. AJ will still sell tickets if people are intrigued enough.

                  Besides, the last couple of fights have shown Eddie hand that he's going to have to match Joshua in a very good fight if they want to fight outside of the o2 again. and it might force their hand a little bit to make a fight like Zhan,g because outside of big Saudi Arabian money he's going to be back fighting in the o2 unless they have the right opponent to go bigger. This one could do it.

                  I actually think AJ v Dubois would do very well too. I think they could do Spurs with that fight. Even though they're both coming off defeats, and people question both of their mentalities, i think that's a really appealing fight for people to see what happens.
                  Last edited by deathofaclown; 09-30-2023, 06:40 AM.

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                    #10
                    I was just looking up Tyson Fury's boxing record? Lets see no wins over Usyk.

                    And that other win you are talking about, why are you bragging about a so called professional boxer beating a 'Unprofessional boxer who is blatantly just made up to land a big fight?'.

                    Tyson Fury's hardcore fans think Fury has masterfully engineered his current situation 'In regards to professional boxing'.

                    I don't think he has totally, Fury made a tactical mistake in not fighting Uysk and Joshua already 'Joshua has had two wins since his lost to Usyk, and Usyk has adjusted to the Heavyweight Division even more since beating Joshua twice back to back'.

                    Meanwhile Fury has been doing what? Beating one of his semi-retired mates in Derek Chisora, and beating Dillian Whyte with a knock-out which saved him from a underwhelming performance 'Against a fighter in Whyte who can hardly move inside a boxing ring these days'.

                    Better versions of Chisora have been beaten by other fighters more impressively than Fury's latest win 'Usyk to his credit actually beat one of the last real versions of Chisora who actually trained to win. Chisora since his fights vs Usyk & Parker was just turning up to push his opponents, make the fight some what competitive so the casual lemmings could sing a few songs and then after the fight? Eat some of those Burgers with his opponents' That was essentially Chisora's brand WarChisora.

                    Fury's current form is unknown at World or Elite level 'He is not a experience fighter, that is what his hardcore fans need to understand'.

                    Tyson Fury is inexperienced at World and Elite level 'Joshua is not, and neither Usyk'.

                    These fighters fought at a higher level as amateur fighters, and Uysk definitively throughout his career has been fighting at a higher level more consistently.

                    We all know hardcore Fury fans, don't want Wilder fighting anybody 'Because 90% of Fury's current reputation is built up off beating Deontay Wilder, or should I say being battered by Wilder over a trilogy. It was not a easy trilogy overall, and since then Fury has basically been a WBC World Heavyweight Champion who barely fights above domestic and high end European level'.

                    If somebody could honest sit down with Peter Fury, and ask him some hard questions about Tyson Fury 'I don't think he would agree with Fury recent boxing moves, when? It comes to pure fighting'.

                    I have said it before, and I will say it again 'Fury is playing a dangerous game with is nearest competition'. Greater more proven, possibly more talented fighters than Fury have lost at their so called peak 'Fighters who had also been fighting at a level'.

                    Prince Naseem Hamed, was a by far more proven greater and bigger fighter globally than Fury when he lost to Antonio Barrera.

                    On the topic of Anthony Joshua 'Joshua has most likely overachieved in his career. As a World Champion he took on all comers, and that was why really eventually he was beaten 'If he wanted to stay unbeaten, his career easily could of been engineered to stay unbeaten. Joshua could of avoided fighting Usyk, and did not really need to fight Ruiz Junior'.

                    So people can mock Joshua, but he is still here and he is still fighting 'We Joshua's level, he is a very capable boxer'.

                    On the real? Nobody really knows Fury's level of fighting 'Wilder drops rounds to most World level boxers' etc.









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