Comments Thread For: Emanuel Navarrete Batters The Face of Oscar Valdez, Wins Decision in Mexican War

[real raw]

Shakur can't kill a fly with those pity pat punches. Shakur has nothing special. Extend his jab to keep a shorter man at distance. He won't be able to that to Vaquero. Navarette has the reach advantage, power advantage, akward movement, akward punch angles, he is tougher, switches stance. Shakur is flat footed, watch the Valdez fight. Valdez was dumb enough to stay in front of Shakur, not Navarette.

tough fight for sure, but to call shakur flat footed means you've never seen his early fights, he was like a cat. only lately has he started sitting down on his punches. he's not going to stand right in front of navarette. stevenson by decision

[boxingitis]

tough fight for sure, but to call shakur flat footed means you've never seen his early fights, he was like a cat. only lately has he started sitting down on his punches. he's not going to stand right in front of navarette. stevenson by decision

Only way to know is to make it happen. Navarette will chase him and catch in with that long reach and on top of that he leans in.

[messi807]

Navarrete would destroy Shakur in 130.

Shakur is overrated in a crazy form.

But 135 is too high for Emanuel.

He need to stay in 130 and be undisputed.

Stop it, dude almost got taken out by C level Liam Wilson. Navarette wouldn’t win a single round against SS at 130 or 135.

Stevenson started at featherweight & moved up to lightweight, let’s see if Navarette can do the same thing.

[Lefty0616]

Then maybe you should. Even the true Valdez fans who know boxing would give him 3-4 rounds max. And that's not even looking at his face.

Oh, (you made) a joke. Un laughable.

I've been watching boxing for years. How a face looks has nothing to do with who wins or loses. The scorecards were a joke. One judge basically scored it a shut out. There was one round where Navarette hurt his right, and barely threw his left (he surely didn't throw the right). There's no way he won that round. He loss others too. Did Navarette beat Vargas up? Yes, he did. But boxing is scored on a 10 point must system. Some of those rounds went to Vargas. The only scorecard that seemed reasonable was 116-112.

[steeve steel]

Oh, (you made) a joke. Un laughable.

I've been watching boxing for years. How a face looks has nothing to do with who wins or loses. The scorecards were a joke. One judge basically scored it a shut out. There was one round where Navarette hurt his right, and barely threw his left (he surely didn't throw the right). There's no way he won that round. He loss others too. Did Navarette beat Vargas up? Yes, he did. But boxing is scored on a 10 point must system. Some of those rounds went to Vargas. The only scorecard that seemed reasonable was 116-112.

Then you"ve been watching it all wrong! Just look at the stats. ( oh right, stats don't coun't because you gotta score each round... )

[Lefty0616]

Then you"ve been watching it all wrong! Just look at the stats. ( oh right, stats don't coun't because you gotta score each round... )

Stats don't always count. And I'm going to give you an example that proves that case. I do math for a living. Imagine if Fighter A fights Fighter B (12 rounds). Fighter A lands all 2000 of his punches in round 1 and 2 - and doesn't miss any punches. Fighter B doesn't throw any punches in the first two rounds. That's a clear 20-18 score after two for Fighter A. Fighter A throws nothing the rest of the way, and Fighter B throws and lands 50% of his punches the rest of the way - he averages 100 punches each round, from Round 3 - 12. It's safe to say that although Fighter A won the first two rounds, that he loses the last 10. And let's say Fighter A really busted up Fighter B in the first two rounds too. Fighter B would still win 118 to 110. Some would say how could this be: Fighter A landed 2000 punches VS only 1000 for Fighter B, and he beat Fighter B up in the first two rounds. Fighter B wins because boxing is scored on a 10 point must system. Fighter B wins the chess match VS Fighter A. Stats wouldn't matter much in this instance. It's sort of like Ward VS Kovalev I. Ward got beat up and knocked down, but he won more rounds. That's why I had him winning.

But hey, I was obviously wrong in the instance of Navarette VS Vargas. I've been out voted, it happens. There were swing rounds that I gave to Valdez that most probably gave to Navarette. No one's perfect. I'll watch the replay.

[low blows]

Valdez hasn't looked the same since the failed test... imagine that

So true his failed PED test was filed down the memory hole. He never served any real suspension, I hope they throw the book at Whyte but I could see the dog ate my homework 2 excuse being "believed" by the BBC.

[steeve steel]

Stats don't always count. And I'm going to give you an example that proves that case. I do math for a living. Imagine if Fighter A fights Fighter B (12 rounds). Fighter A lands all 2000 of his punches in round 1 and 2 - and doesn't miss any punches. Fighter B doesn't throw any punches in the first two rounds. That's a clear 20-18 score after two for Fighter A. Fighter A throws nothing the rest of the way, and Fighter B throws and lands 50% of his punches the rest of the way - he averages 100 punches each round, from Round 3 - 12. It's safe to say that although Fighter A won the first two rounds, that he loses the last 10. And let's say Fighter A really busted up Fighter B in the first two rounds too. Fighter B would still win 118 to 110. Some would say how could this be: Fighter A landed 2000 punches VS only 1000 for Fighter B, and he beat Fighter B up in the first two rounds. Fighter B wins because boxing is scored on a 10 point must system. Fighter B wins the chess match VS Fighter A. Stats wouldn't matter much in this instance. It's sort of like Ward VS Kovalev I. Ward got beat up and knocked down, but he won more rounds. That's why I had him winning.

But hey, I was obviously wrong in the instance of Navarette VS Vargas. I've been out voted, it happens. There were swing rounds that I gave to Valdez that most probably gave to Navarette. No one's perfect. I'll watch the replay.

I agree to .. agree! Because no one, including me, questioned the fact that you gotta score each round, and take into account stats for each round, not just overall stats. There are some really tough fights to score. I personally had Kovalez winning. but I could kind of see why some like yourself had Ward winning. But that was a way closer fight than Navarette vs Valdez. You can't win a round just because you landed 2-3 good power shots, when the opponent landed 3-4 times more punches, including hard jabs.