Anyone really thinks AJ can beat wilder?

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  • PRINCEKOOL
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    #31
    I rate Wilder extremely highly, but lets get this right?

    Wilder has never faced a boxer and power puncher like Anthony Joshua ever in his career 'Wilder has never faced that combination in one fighter'.

    Tyson Fury is a great boxer, but he is not a monster puncher 'Fury was still able to deck and **** Wilder out'.

    Whether it is pure boxing or power punching 'Anthony Joshua is rated in the top-3 fighters in the Heavyweight division, with those two attributes'.

    Outside of Fury & Usyk, Joshua statistically is the next best pure boxer in the Heavyweight division 'Outside of Wilder and maybe Dubois, Joshua is again rated in the top 3 most powerful punchers in the Heavyweight division'.

    Anthony Joshua is a super Heavyweight, and his endurance compared to 95% of the other Heavyweights in the division is at a good level 'So when you combine all these factors, it is clear that Joshua has the ability to win a fight vs Deontay Wilder'.

    Joshua fundamentally is a more technically correct fighter than Tyson Fury 'For all the way people mock Joshua's style. Joshua does not make the same kind of unforced errors or technical mistakes like Fury does in most of his fights, Fury is innately a extremely clumsy fighter'.

    It was Peter Fury who tamed and refined this innate clumsiness, but it is still there you see it in all of his fights.

    So don't get carried with all these narratives like 'Fury moves like Middle Weight, nobody can figured him out'.

    It is just utter nonsense, because since Tyson Fury left Peter Fury 'Heavyweights can find him inside the ring. Fury has been decked more times than Joshua, even though Joshua has fought at a higher level more consistently'.

    I don't buy into this narrative that Joshua has to wade forward vs Wilder like Fury did 'Fury had to fight Wilder in that manner, because he is a clumsy fighter. Fury tried to out box Wilder in the first fight, was backed up all night and decked twice once badly'.

    Note: Joshua has the ability to beat Deontay Wilder. But like Fury, Joshua at some point is going to have to come through Wilder's power 'This is where Tyson Fury deserves major credit'.

    It is not only Wilder's power, it is also the constant threat of violence 'When a fighter faces Wilder, they are competing against potential DOOM'. It is a different kind of pressure which may effect a fighter's ability to carry out or stick to a game plan 'So even before they are wacked by Wilder, a fighter may not be operating at the level they should be'.

    Tyson Fury was able to still under that type of pressure, stick to his tactics 'And I believe that is how a fighter should fight Wilder, you have to be decisive. If a fighter is not decisive or is shook away from their tactics when they face Wilder abnormal aggression, it will be difficult for them to win'.

    So of course I believe Anthony Joshua can win vs Wilder. I understand that it is not a easy or straight forward fight 'And it is also not just down to Wilder's power. Skill for skill Wilder may not be a elite fighter in terms of pure boxing skill, but Wilder does have a solid Jab and his determination and level of aggression is abnormal compared to most other Heavyweights from this era' etc.
    Last edited by PRINCEKOOL; 08-12-2023, 08:13 PM.

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    • Raggamuffin
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      #32
      Yes he can. Neither guy was ever taught how to fight on the inside. Both use the jab. Before Fury, I would’ve picked Wilder by easy ko. I am still picking Wilder, but I wouldn’t be surprised if Joshua won. Now it’s a whoever catches who first probably wins. Joshua was never good to me and Wilder over achieved. But both have done about as well as you can do with their styles. It’s still a decent fight to watch if it gets made.

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      • pollywog
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        #33
        Wilder v Ruiz would have given us a better gage on where he is at these days, ditto for Ruiz.

        Expect Wilder to be all over the show now, full of himself and talking that bumsquat twaddle about wanting Joshua to be his body on the record.

        Dunno if that would be a great strategy. AJ doesn't need the extra motivation to beat Wilder. Avoid the right hand and outbox him is all he needs to do.

        Sounds easy enough...

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        • QueensburyRules
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          #34
          Originally posted by TheBoxingfan101
          AJ stopped helenioys yes but he struggled and against a big puncher who is unorthodox in his style and unpredictable with a big heart, I cant help but think AJ is going to get demolished against wilder, I mean like a highlight reel KO
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          - - Given Deyonce has ducked record purses at least twice vs AJ, only a ninny could think Deyonce could KO AJ, what by osmosis…snickers…

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          • juggernaut666
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            #35
            Casual fans think a one round knock out is better but that is for casual or less Intelligent guys on here .I’m sure there’s many here in fact I know there is . Lol

            Would have a small to no benefit knocking this guy out quick and Joshua learned gages of triple jabs better but he didn’t throw them enough . That’s 40 plus rounds now to Wilders ONE , Wilder will get demolished if he fights Joshua as his NEXT fight .
            Last edited by juggernaut666; 08-12-2023, 08:32 PM.

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            • real raw
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              #36
              AJ can't and never could beat Wilder.

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              • pollywog
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                #37
                Originally posted by real raw
                AJ can't and never could beat Wilder.
                Who is the better boxer ?

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                • pitpurse
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                  #38
                  Originally posted by dan_cov

                  Apart from Helenius who has one of the worst chins in the division who has AJ ever displayed one punch power against?

                  Dillian Whyte 1 punch uppercut couldn't continue fight stopped
                  Charles Martin 1 punch right hand couldn't continue fight stopped
                  Povetkin 1 punch right hand couldn't continue fight stopped
                  Pulev several knockdowns then 1 punch right hand couldn't continue fight stopped

                  I'd say Wilder has a slight edge & I'd favor him to win but if AJ lands a big shot it could be game over.
                  Last edited by pitpurse; 08-12-2023, 08:54 PM.

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                  • pollywog
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                    #39
                    Originally posted by pitpurse


                    Dillian Whyte 1 punch uppercut couldn't continue fight stopped
                    Charles Martin 1 punch right hand couldn't continue fight stopped
                    Povetkin 1 punch right hand couldn't continue fight stopped
                    Pulev several knockdowns then 1 punch right hand couldn't continue fight stopped

                    I'd say Wilder has the edge & I'd favor him to win but if AJ lands a big shot it could be game over.
                    If AJ wobbles Wilder and smells blood i reckon he'll go for broke.

                    Wilder is not Ruiz. He can't and won't counter fast enough to check AJ.

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                    • Kzbox
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                      #40
                      Originally posted by juggernaut666
                      Casual fans think a one round knock out is better but that is for casual or less Intelligent guys on here .I’m sure there’s many here in fact I know there is . Lol

                      Would have a small to no benefit knocking this guy out quick and Joshua learned gages of triple jabs better but he didn’t throw them enough . That’s 40 plus rounds now to Wilders ONE , Wilder will get demolished if he fights Joshua as his NEXT fight .
                      We all know you are a AJ nuthugger but even you don't believe this ******ity obviously a round 1 KO is better than a 7th round KO and don't try spin it into AJ was "working on stuff" or "banking rounds" he was just too scared to throw anything like he has been since Ruiz rocked him.

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