Comments Thread For: Crawford On Facing Gervonta Davis: I'll Stay At 147 For Him Because That's A Big Money Fight

[Roadblock]

Crawf aint giving Davis no leeway, no rehydration, no cw, no nothin. If Davis wants the smoke he needs to come correct or stfu. He can play with them lil boys at 135 and below, but Crawf a grown man and aint putting up w/the bullsh.it.

Why didn't you say this when Manny wanted 144 CW with Cotto settling on 145?, it was little Manny at the time where Tank is the same size as Manny.

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How many legitimate fights have Canelo had since 2018?

The latest BoxingScene Competition Index just came out and Canelo is at #2. Meaning his level of opposition based on recent fight remains among the highest in the entire sport, behind only Devin Haney.

Men lie. Women lie. But numbers don’t lie.

[Roadblock]

The latest BoxingScene Competition Index just came out and Canelo is at #2. Meaning his level of opposition based on recent fight remains among the highest in the entire sport, behind only Devin Haney.

Men lie. Women lie. But numbers don’t lie.

But doesn't the index come down to opinions, what are the criteria when Haney has only Kambosis and a squeak by Loma?

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But doesn't the index come down to opinions, what are the criteria when Haney has only Kambosis and a squeak by Loma?

The Competition Index is based on a specific formula. The full criteria is spelled out in the article on it.

[Roadblock]

The Competition Index is based on a specific formula. The full criteria is spelled out in the article on it.

Is the formula based on opinions?

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Is the formula based on opinions?

No. It’s based on a specific formula that’s spelled out for everyone to see.

[Roadblock]

No. It’s based on a specific formula that’s spelled out for everyone to see.

Can you link it I cant find it.

Its ok I found, seems to me its riddled with opinions emphasising wins above or below other wins which is an opinion-based criteria, there is no formula that will displace the best guys fighting the best guys, the proof is Haney how can he come out on top fighting Kambosis and Loma, makes no sense to me and shows how flawed it is.

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Can you link it I cant find it.

Its ok I found, seems to me its riddled with opinions emphasising wins above or below other wins which is an opinion-based criteria, there is no formula that will displace the best guys fighting the best guys, the proof is Haney how can he come out on top fighting Kambosis and Loma, makes no sense to me and shows how flawed it is.

Here it is:


Here’s how it works (with updated criterion in bold).

Using the most recent ratings available in a print issue of Ring (or now monthly sample of online ratings) or the most recent archived Transnational Boxing Rankings Board ratings prior to a fight:

• Every primary WBA, WBC, IBF, and WBO titlist was evaluated based on the official results against their last five opponents and/or last three years of activity and what those opponents were rated heading into the fight. Select notable non-titlists are also included.
• Wins over rated opponents started at 11 points for a recognized TBRB or Ring champion down to one point for defeating a number ten contender. Draws got half credit. No points were given for a No Contest or No Decision but the result will be noted.
• Fighters who have produced a higher activity level were given a kicker score for any wins over rated opposition in the last three years no later than January 1, 2020. Everyone evaluated was scored for their last five opponents even if that was past the three year mark.
• Losses to rated opponents were given an inverse score, beginning with -1 for a champion down to -11.
• Losses to unrated opponents received a universal score of -12.
• Wins over unrated opponents were worth nothing.
• If there is a difference between a fighter’s Ring and TBRB rankings, the average of the two numbers was used (i.e. a win over a fighter rated second by one body and fifth by the other would be worth 7.5 pts).
• If a fighter was rated by only Ring or TBRB, half credit was given for a win based on the single rating. A loss total would come from an average of -12 and the point loss that would apply to the rating that was in place.
• Moves between weight classes were adjusted for by taking into consideration the body weight shift between weight classes. In other words, if a rated Jr. welterweight jumped up to beat a rated welterweight, the math would work like this: 147/140 multiplied by the divisional rating score. It works in reverse for a win over a fighter rated lower (i.e. 160/168 multiplied by the smaller fighters rating in his class). In an over the weight class fight, the divisions the men were rated in were used.
• Fighters from a higher class are noted with a [+], from a lower [-], after the weight limit of their respective weight class. The totals generated result in a rating for overall total score.
• Each fighter evaluated is given a score for how many unique wins they have against rated opponents; beating the same opponent twice counts for only one unique win. They are then rated based on unique wins with tiebreakers decided by whoever holds higher total points.
• A rating is generated for the point total for each fighter’s last two wins.
• The Ring/TBRB rankings for each fighter’s qualified opponents is generated on a scale of 0-11 (0 for champion/11 for unranked). Adjustments are made for weight classes. As an example, super middleweight champion Saul Alvarez’s 2022 loss at light heavyweight to Dmitrii Bivol came with Bivol ranked #2 by Ring and #1 by TBRB at light heavyweight. That’s an average ranking of 1.5. Adjusting for the move up in weight, 168 is divided by 175 and multiplied by 1.5 for a 1.44. Conversely, Alvarez’s defense at super middleweight against #1 ranked middleweight Gennadiy Golovkin would result in a 1.5 for Golovkin. The opponent rankings are combined and divided by total qualified fights for an average opponent ranking. Those averages were ordered lowest to highest and assigned a rating.
• The rating in each scoring category (Total/Unique Wins/Last Two Bouts/Average Opponent Ranking) were averaged against each other for a final score. Tiebreakers go to the fighter with the highest overall points.
• All divisions were treated equally based on the idea fighters can only face the men in their division while they are there and all point totals were applied based on official results.

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Unless Errol Spence Jr. unexpectedly requests a second welterweight fight with him, Terence Crawford would remain in the 147-pound division for only one other bout.
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LOL, tank wont even fight old man Loma ! Nor PILLOW hands Haney, nor Teo at 140, nor little 135 Shakur.. No way he will fight Crawford. Crawford is in a tuff spot. Spence aint fighting anytime soon if he fights at all. Canelo is just too big. Charla is TERRIFIED of lil Crawford.
Everyone thinks Boots wants him but I guarantee you his people arent willing to risk their honeypot yet.
If I were him id see if GGG wants a payday at 160. I think its possible.

[El_Mero]

Why didn't you say this when Manny wanted 144 CW with Cotto settling on 145?, it was little Manny at the time where Tank is the same size as Manny.

Did it need to be said? Cotto agreed to it. Crawf wont. End of...