Comments Thread For: Shakur Stevenson Attaches The "Ducking" Label To Vasiliy Lomachenko

[Sid-Knee]

Yes, he low blowed, but that's what comes with boxing. ITS A FIGHT. Did u see all the illegal **** Maidana was doing to Floyd? What did Mayweather do? RESPOND AS A FIGHTET. Maidse still gets credit as one of Floyd's toughest fights. Loma couldn't handle Salido and on top of low blows he was getting outlander EVERY ROUND except the 12th. Loma was hurt MULTIPLE TIMES in that fight. The Lopez fight was up for debate? I'm done talking to you atp

Maidana never came close to being as dirty as Salido was against Loma. He did a couple of things throughout the fight and that's it. Salido was all night.

Salido out-landed Loma in every round other than the 12th? Yeah, he did no such thing.

Care to point out the round and the time on the clock where Loma was hurt by Salido? Loam wasn't hurt once. But you have a different take. Care to share?

[The Big Dunn]

Haven't you got any names where the American won a fight against an overseas fighter in the US only to get robbed? Does that not tell you anything?

The US is the hotbed for corruption. I could give you more robberies in just the last 3 years than you could historically in England.

It isn't an excuse to conclude Loma being mentally and emotionally adrift after putting in a winning performance only to be robbed. It happens. You push yourself to the limits being his age and losing due to a robbery is going to dispirit you. I don't think he'll ever be able to get back to that level in a mental and emotional way.

Again, robberies happen everywhere. Too many posters throw out robbery when it doesnt apply when they ate upset the guy they liked loss.

That would be because there are far more fights here.

I am not disagreeing with you that robberies occur. Imo Haney v Loma wasnt one.

Yes it is. You’re blaming the emotional reaction on the judges when you have no idea what caused it. I get that losing a tough fight is hard. Lets stop acting like he is some kind if victim just because he lost.

If he cant, so what? Loma doesn’t deserve to be treated differently than any other boxer that loses a close tough fight.

Further, men that have been actually robbed- like sweet pea against ramirez or Manny v bradley- found a way to come back and win.

Loma has had 2 close, tough fights in a row. Shakur is better than Ortiz and Haney. It is obvious why his team mor his promotion doesnt want him to fight Shakur next.

[Sid-Knee]

Again, robberies happen everywhere. Too many posters throw out robbery when it doesnt apply when they ate upset the guy they liked loss.

That would be because there are far more fights here.

I am not disagreeing with you that robberies occur. Imo Haney v Loma wasnt one.

Yes it is. You’re blaming the emotional reaction on the judges when you have no idea what caused it. I get that losing a tough fight is hard. Lets stop acting like he is some kind if victim just because he lost.

If he cant, so what? Loma doesn’t deserve to be treated differently than any other boxer that loses a close tough fight.

Further, men that have been actually robbed- like sweet pea against ramirez or Manny v bradley- found a way to come back and win.

Loma has had 2 close, tough fights in a row. Shakur is better than Ortiz and Haney. It is obvious why his team mor his promotion doesnt want him to fight Shakur next.

I know robberies can happen anywhere. But the question still stands. Why do you think Americans never win a fight but end up getting robbed in the US? It's food for thought to say the least. If it's a close fight, which it was, then people feel comfortable in saying it was the right winner. But this always happens. A close fight should go to the winner, not the loser. Sorry, but most agree Loma won the fight.

Isn't it a good reason then in your mind, that if Loma did lose, that he needs to get back into the win column before taking on a big fight? Who goes into fights like this on the back of a loss? High profile fighters i'm talking about here. Not low level ones who take fights wherever they can get them.

[The Big Dunn]

I know robberies can happen anywhere. But the question still stands. Why do you think Americans never win a fight but end up getting robbed in the US? It's food for thought to say the least. If it's a close fight, which it was, then people feel comfortable in saying it was the right winner. But this always happens. A close fight should go to the winner, not the loser. Sorry, but most agree Loma won the fight.

Isn't it a good reason then in your mind, that if Loma did lose, that he needs to get back into the win column before taking on a big fight? Who goes into fights like this on the back of a loss? High profile fighters i'm talking about here. Not low level ones who take fights wherever they can get them.

It doesn’t always happen. Im fine if people disagree agree with me. Judges had it exactly like I had it.

When I score a fight I try to use the same criteria as the judges are required to use. Not everyone does that. I get some right and some wrong.

I just dont cry robbery.

Yes, I agree. That is why I think TR puts him in with Kambosos once Haney vacates the LW belts other than WBC.

imo that at least gives him a win and makes him look better before the inevitable Shakur fight.

So you get why Shakur is saying what he s saying. Don’t forget- he like you and others are in record that loma won.

So it makes sense that is who hes calling out and criticizing for not fighting him next.

[Sid-Knee]

It doesn’t always happen. Im fine if people disagree agree with me. Judges had it exactly like I had it.

When I score a fight I try to use the same criteria as the judges are required to use. Not everyone does that. I get some right and some wrong.

I just dont cry robbery.

Yes, I agree. That is why I think TR puts him in with Kambosos once Haney vacates the LW belts other than WBC.

imo that at least gives him a win and makes him look better before the inevitable Shakur fight.

So you get why Shakur is saying what he s saying. Don’t forget- he like you and others are in record that loma won.

So it makes sense that is who hes calling out and criticizing for not fighting him next.

Well, if it doesn't always happen, which names can you give where the American wins a close fight but doesn't get the decision?

[SplitSecond]

I called it. Lomachenko is old, and he just got robbed of his undisputed shot, he’s not getting up for anyone other than Haney and those belts again, if even then. Guy is ready to call it a career, he’s probably not trying to make any hasty announcement and will rest up, get away from boxing for awhile to see if the passion comes back.

[The Big Dunn]

I called it. Lomachenko is old, and he just got robbed of his undisputed shot, he’s not getting up for anyone other than Haney and those belts again, if even then. Guy is ready to call it a career, he’s probably not trying to make any hasty announcement and will rest up, get away from boxing for awhile to see if the passion comes back.

Ridiculous excuse making. If this was someone you didnt like youd be spamming the forum with ”ducking”.

[Noelanthony]

Like I said before it's hard to see Loma get up for this fight or any other fight. Dude got straight up robbed of a decision and being undisputed. His losses have been controversial and the 3rd one was the final straw.

He should retire then. He couldn’t get up to finishing the 12th round and possibly taking the belts off Haney. Instead he thought he did enough after the 11th. Go and chill in your mansion in Ukraine and quit...... sorry I mean go back to the trenches and let these knuckleheads fight your corner . As far as they are concerned you are still undefeated Champ. However when you do return within a year and fight Kambosos you will get a pass. We all know deep down in your prime you would have beat Mayweather. ( that’s Jeff)

[Noelanthony]

Lomachenko is probably not confident in fighting Americans right now after beating one up and seemingly taking his 0 but officially “losing” to him.

It’s difficult at that age, I imagine you have to work harder in camp, it takes a little more strength and energy in your 30s. For him to get up and be that ready, that strong and that good vs Haney, and not get the win at that age. That sucks ass. At the very least he has the fans and media support. Problem is 100 years from now Boxrec will have that as an L on his record and some kid isn’t going to think twice about it. It will be forgotten.

Boxerec has it as an L now and a deserved one. I had it a draw only because Haney took the last round. However if Loma got the decision I wouldn’t be up in arms even though I hate him. I will never forgive him when I betted on him to wash Lopez and he didn’t even fight for my money for 6 rounds. That’s unforgivable. He deserves all the disappointment and misery he is feeling. F#uck him

[Noelanthony]

You're absolutely delusional if you think he got his ass whooped by salido. Salido missed weight and low blowed like Mares.

The Lopez fight yeah he kinda gaveaway but still up to debate. I think teo winning the 12th secured it but by no means a clear win.

Hankey straight up got a gift and your a fvkcing idiot if you think so. Even the audio from the corner knew they were losing

He nearly got his arse knocked out in the 12th. If you ever bet on a fight you know the sinking feeling when half way through the fight you are already planning your next bet to recoup the money you are about to lose.