Comments Thread For: Robert Helenius Bounces Back, Takes Out Mielonen in Three Rounds

[letsgochump]

I saw one of Wilder's best mates and long time sparring partner, Helenius, take a dive in the first round, not unlike Wilder's coach Malik Scott did.

I understand that the punch that put Big Bob down had zero leverage or power on it and could not have done the damage Helenius portrayed, so concluded the fight was fixed, just like the Scott one was.

I get that you saw an amazing first round knockout by the hardest puncher in the history of combat sports and that you understood the Bombsquad Bronze Bomber was back to his best.

You do you champ!

It wasn't amazing at all, Wilder KOd a guy way past his prime who was stopped by Johan Dubaupas and Gerry Washington in the past. I just called Wilder Bum Squad you numpty. It just doesn't fit your narrative that someone looks at things as they are and uses the simplest and most likely explanation instead of wild speculation that makes no sense. As if Wilder needs a fix to beat a slow old fighter whos chin been cracked years ago.

CLEARLY you have never been countered even in sparring going in if you think that Wilder right hand can't do damage. But I get it, you like wearing full tinfoil so you cannot see reason or anything else without painting conspiracies all over it. You're arguing from the angle of beliefs and I can't prove beliefs wrong as they aren't based on facts but emotions.

[pollywog]

CLEARLY CHUMP, you saw what you saw and I saw differently.

I can't prove Helenius took a dive anymore than you can that Wilders pawing punch delivered off the back foot was enough to send Big Bob unconscious to the floor.

Yeah sure, Helenius punch resistance might be shot but equally it can also be true that Wilder's pitty pat pawing was enough for Helenius to take the scheduled L and lie down before actually legitimately getting clipped and KTFO...

BUT, as mentioned earlier, Bob wouldnt be the first of Wilder's mates to lie down after getting lightly touched by the hardest puncher in combat sports history.

Here's the legendary windmill trainer doing his thang...

https://*************/watch?v=jws9K_RTCy4

You see what you want to see...

[letsgochump]

CLEARLY CHUMP, you saw what you saw and I saw differently.

I can't prove Helenius took a dive anymore than you can that Wilders pawing punch delivered off the back foot was enough to send Big Bob unconscious to the floor.

Yeah sure, Helenius punch resistance might be shot but equally it can also be true that Wilder's pitty pat pawing was enough for Helenius to take the scheduled L and lie down before actually legitimately getting clipped and KTFO...

BUT, as mentioned earlier, Bob wouldnt be the first of Wilder's mates to lie down after getting lightly touched by the hardest puncher in combat sports history.

Here's the legendary windmill trainer doing his thang...

https://*************/watch?v=jws9K_RTCy4

You see what you want to see...

Haha correct. You see what you want to see. I want to see things as they are, no theories or excpectations. You wanna see conspiracies.

You're claiming something that is not part of a boxing fight happened. That the guy didn't actually get KOd like many boxers do.

We see a guy who is slow and has bad punch resistance get his head knocked back as he's rushing in and he falls to the floor unconscious. You're claiming that this is an act, that a socially very clumsy and awkward guy like Helenius is doing an excellent job of acting getting knocked out.

The burden of proof is on you. You made the claim.

It's a completely different thing than Malik Scott obviously refusing to get up after the first touch. You can see him make the decision, he's on his way up and he decides to lay back down, fully conscious. On video you can see that he could get up, he just doesn't. It's completely different. But even with this, you cannot prove it's a fix. It can be a choice by Scott after feeling the left that it's not worth it. Maybe he's just afraid or lazy.

Helenius is completely different. even delusional. Thinking he has a chance of winning a title still. Especially after the Kownacki fights he was sure he can beat anyone. He used to be extremely arrogant about it as well in the past blaming his losses on his German coaches and bad gloves among other things and saying he would KO Wlad for sure. There is simply nothing at all suggesting Helenius took a dive against Wilder.

[pollywog]

There is no burden of proof. Its not a court of law.

To be clear, your take is that Helenius is so shot, a half arse tap to the head from Wilder - that anyone else would ride out - is enough to cause Big Bob to get KTFO.

From my perspective, that fight did not pass the eye test and i cannot see how the pawing punch wilder delivered could be capable of doing the damage Helenius claimed.

Sorry champ but there is nothing to convince me Helenius did not take a dive or of being such a bad actor that he couldn't sell it.

All that aside, what do you predict for Helenius when AJ lands a better shot on him in the first round ?

Will Bob have suddenly developed better punch resistance against AJ than Wilder ?

Is a clean AJ shot not even half as damaging as a pawing Wilder one ?

[Boxing 112]

Just saw the highlights from the dungeon

Dungeon in front of 10 people

To fighting AJ at the O2 in front of 17k

Within a week, not bad

[letsgochump]

There is no burden of proof. Its not a court of law.

To be clear, your take is that Helenius is so shot, a half arse tap to the head from Wilder - that anyone else would ride out - is enough to cause Big Bob to get KTFO.

From my perspective, that fight did not pass the eye test and i cannot see how the pawing punch wilder delivered could be capable of doing the damage Helenius claimed.

Sorry champ but there is nothing to convince me Helenius did not take a dive or of being such a bad actor that he couldn't sell it.

All that aside, what do you predict for Helenius when AJ lands a better shot on him in the first round ?

Will Bob have suddenly developed better punch resistance against AJ than Wilder ?

Is a clean AJ shot not even half as damaging as a pawing Wilder one ?

Thanks for letting me know it's not a court of law. Burden of proof is a basic concept of making an argument.

I really recommend you learn Occam's razor, Hanlon's Razor and Hitchens's Razor. You're violating them all and they are really good tools for critical thinking

Occam's razor is simply that the simplest explanation is most likely and therefore should be assumed. In this case it's that Helenius got KO'd

Hanlon's razor is that an act of incompetence is more likely as an explanation than evil intentions, in this case again your idea of conspiracy goes against this. Hanlon is just a version or Occam's razor.

And Hitches's razor is that what asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. Your lack of evidence means your silly claim of a fix can be dismissed as you have failed to provide evidence.

Now you can call me daddy and take off the foil pls.

If AJ landed the same punch coming in and it rattled Helenius's brain the same way he would get knocked out obviously. Sometimes you see guys take monster punches and stand, sometimes lighter looking touch knocks them down. Helenius definitely has not improved his punch resistance, so if AJ needs more hard shots to KO Helenius then it's likely bcs Helenius sees them coming, unlike he did with Wilder. How do you watch boxing without understanding f all about it? This is like explaining boxing to my grandma but she has dementia, you probably don't.

[pollywog]

That's quite the bloated sense of superiority you have there champ, but I think I'll pass on calling you daddy just cos you googled some philosophical principles to make out you're some sort of boxing brainiac...lol

...and besides, it gives you the creepy internet pedo vibes.

Have fun explaining to your demented grandma how "complicated" boxing is and that sometimes you have to suspend your disbelief to rationalise how what you saw doesnt align with what actually happened.

[letsgochump]

That's quite the bloated sense of superiority you have there champ, but I think I'll pass on calling you daddy just cos you googled some philosophical principles to make out you're some sort of boxing brainiac...lol

...and besides, it gives you the creepy internet pedo vibes.

Have fun explaining to your demented grandma how "complicated" boxing is and that sometimes you have to suspend your disbelief to rationalise how what you saw doesnt align with what actually happened.

No I just pointed out to you some basic 101 principles of rational thought, this makes just a normal civilized person who has finished basic level education in the Western world. It's not bloated at all, you're just painfully uneducated and arguing with false confidence from that angle of complete ignorance. Dunning-Kruger effect on display at its finest. Just bcs I think you're exceptionally bad at forming an argument doesn't mean I think highly of myself. On the contrary, the more you know, the more you understand how little you know. But you are here with nothing to support your claims talking krap like it was obvious.

It aligns perfectly with what I think. What we see doesn't support anything you say tho. At all. You have nothing to support your claims, except your own ignorant assumption that someone cheated.

You admitted it, nothing will prove to you that Helenius didn't take a dive. You don't care about evidence or truth. This is a sign of low iq and being irrationally attached to fairy tales that you made up.

[pollywog]

It's not cheating to decide to fall over, take the count, cash the check and leave the building without getting your brain uneccesarily scrambled by a legit knockout shot.

Fairplay to Big Bob. It got him another payday to do the same thing again for AJ.

Nice work if you can get it.

As for the rest of your inane diatribe. If I call you daddy, will you stop ?

[letsgochump]

It's not cheating to decide to fall over, take the count, cash the check and leave the building without getting your brain uneccesarily scrambled by a legit knockout shot.

Fairplay to Big Bob. It got him another payday to do the same thing again for AJ.

Nice work if you can get it.

As for the rest of your inane diatribe. If I call you daddy, will you stop ?

Prob not. It's too entertaining to read your pained attempts to rationalise your fragile feelings. You can try tho.

You have no proof at all that Helenius decided to fall over and take the count. How is this so hard for you to understand?