Comments Thread For: Eubank Jr. Insists Smith Rematch Set For September; Smith Denies Knowledge Of Such Plans

[PRINCEKOOL]

It appears Smith Wants to Coast away with that shock and awe victory without giving Eubank the deserved rematch. I get it. Tbh. But at least move on and stop playing with the fans. Not a fan of eubank but he clearly feels he needs the rematch to get his "ego" back.

The anomaly type punch Smith landed on Eubank Junior, has actually embellished his entire performance 'And it got him out of a tough fight'.

Smith in all of his top fights, win or lose basically is always being battered 'Win or lose fights are always a struggle for him'.

But I have notice in the boxing world, and especially Eubank Junior critics 'Trying to create a narrative that Smith is some kind of skill for skill monster, who is miles better that Eubank Junior. Smith at top level skill for skill and even sometimes at domesticto European level, has not been miles better than any opponent he has ever faced.

Anthony Fowler for one, was winning the fight vs Smith 'Fowler for me lost the fight due to his endurance and conditioning at 154 pounds, not being on the level of Smith's' That fight as not a easy fight for Smith, it was a struggle up until at certain point.

I personally believe Smith and his entire team on some level, suspect and maybe know that his last win vs Eubank Junior could be as good as it gets 'And I think Eubank Junior's critics on some level also believe this BUT they won't come out and admit this'.

For me it was clear that Eubank Junior was possibly suffering from the chronic effects of weight draining himself for the Benn fight 'And this potentially effected his punch resistance to the extent were it had decreased many levels'.

Smith performed well vs Eubank Junior regardless, and he did look like the more composed fighter 'It was a good win for him'. But if you take away the Knock-down, the trajectory of the fight was going in the direction of being a brutal struggle for both fighters ESPECIALLY Smith.

And if the rematch is made, that is the type of fight that is coming for Smith 'The first win is as good as it will get vs Eubank Junior, maybe they are trying to bounce away from the fight'.

If you are confused about the fight, well there are many ways of people communicating these days 'Team Smith could know within 24 hours whether this rematch is on' etc.

[unknowledgeablepugilist]

There was a rematch clause that was activated. So yes. It is necessary, and not competitive? Smith looked on the way to a certain defeat before the stoppage.

Certain defeat? Based off what? Three rounds, with one them I gave to Smith. It wasn't overly competitive because the fight ended by stoppage. Was Smith ever in danger against Eubank? Was he dropped or rocked? No.

Furthermore, a rematch clause does not indicate a rematch is necessary. A rematch clause is contractual obligation but does it mean a rematch is necessary? No.

[unknowledgeablepugilist]

The anomaly type punch Smith landed on Eubank Junior, has actually embellished his entire performance 'And it got him out of a tough fight'.

Smith in all of his top fights, win or lose basically is always being battered 'Win or lose fights are always a struggle for him'.

But I have notice in the boxing world, and especially Eubank Junior critics 'Trying to create a narrative that Smith is some kind of skill for skill monster, who is miles better that Eubank Junior. Smith at top level skill for skill and even sometimes at domesticto European level, has not been miles better than any opponent he has ever faced.

Anthony Fowler for one, was winning the fight vs Smith 'Fowler for me lost the fight due to his endurance and conditioning at 154 pounds, not being on the level of Smith's' That fight as not a easy fight for Smith, it was a struggle up until at certain point.

I personally believe Smith and his entire team on some level, suspect and maybe know that his last win vs Eubank Junior could be as good as it gets 'And I think Eubank Junior's critics on some level also believe this BUT they won't come out and admit this'.

For me it was clear that Eubank Junior was possibly suffering from the chronic effects of weight draining himself for the Benn fight 'And this potentially effected his punch resistance to the extent were it had decreased many levels'.

Smith performed well vs Eubank Junior regardless, and he did look like the more composed fighter 'It was a good win for him'. But if you take away the Knock-down, the trajectory of the fight was going in the direction of being a brutal struggle for both fighters ESPECIALLY Smith.

And if the rematch is made, that is the type of fight that is coming for Smith 'The first win is as good as it will get vs Eubank Junior, maybe they are trying to bounce away from the fight'.

If you are confused about the fight, well there are many ways of people communicating these days 'Team Smith could know within 24 hours whether this rematch is on' etc.

I don't understand the point you made about take away the knock-down because you cannot just remove a vital part of events just to fit your narrative.
The reality is Eubank put himself in a bad position and got hit. If you believe it's an anomaly that's your incentive but it doesn't change the fact Eubank put himself in that position.

I even disagree on the Smith vs Fowler point because I saw the turn of the tide begin due to Smith's ability to slip inside the long jab and counter. For me you're point seems to downplay Smith but uplift Eubank.

[PRINCEKOOL]

I don't understand the point you made about take away the knock-down because you cannot just remove a vital part of events just to fit your narrative.
The reality is Eubank put himself in a bad position and got hit. If you believe it's an anomaly that's your incentive but it doesn't change the fact Eubank put himself in that position.

I even disagree on the Smith vs Fowler point because I saw the turn of the tide begin due to Smith's ability to slip inside the long jab and counter. For me you're point seems to downplay Smith but uplift Eubank.

You do understand my point, it is simple 'If you look at Smith's entire performance vs Eubank Junior, outside of the anomaly type punch? He was not miles better that Eubank Junior, and the trajectory of the fight was moving towards being a tough brutal fight for both fighters' The punch, the knock-down got him out of a tough brutal fight.

Eubank Junior has endured more powerful punches and attacks in his career, so really saying that 'He put himself in that position, is not really disproving my point'.

I believe Eubank Junior was suffering from the chronic effects of weight draining himself for the Benn fight, there is definitive scientific evidence that this is potentially the situation he found himself in vs Smith, and Eubank Junior only found this out once he was wacked.

Smith's win vs Eubank Junior, is the first time in his career at a good level that he has won a fight without it being a brutal battle of a attrition type fight 'I think that is a good as it gets for Smith vs Eubank Junior, and now him and his team would be content with bouncing away from the fight'.

What do you disagree with on the Fowler fight? Fowler was beating Smith, he was the better fighter up until he fatigued. Skill for skill, I actually don't rate Smith is a better fighter than Fowler 'Fowler's amateur feats of achievement also backed this up'.

Was Fowler vs Smith a easy fight for Smith? Is that what you think? Because it was not a easy fight mate.

Note: If Smith is game for the Eubank Junior rematch, him and his team can know within 24 hours whether this fights is going to happen or not 'To me, it really does appear like Smith is not that game for the rematch'.

Because the rematch is most likely going to be tough brutal fight, like all of his fights at a good level win or lose have been etc.

[unknowledgeablepugilist]

You do understand my point, it is simple 'If you look at Smith's entire performance vs Eubank Junior, outside of the anomaly type punch? He was not miles better that Eubank Junior, and the trajectory of the fight was moving towards being a tough brutal fight for both fighters' The punch, the knock-down got him out of a tough brutal fight.

Eubank Junior has endured more powerful punches and attacks in his career, so really saying that 'He put himself in that position, is not really disproving my point'.

I believe Eubank Junior was suffering from the chronic effects of weight draining himself for the Benn fight, there is definitive scientific evidence that this is potentially the situation he found himself in vs Smith, and Eubank Junior only found this out once he was wacked.

Smith's win vs Eubank Junior, is the first time in his career at a good level that he has won a fight without it being a brutal battle of a attrition type fight 'I think that is a good as it gets for Smith vs Eubank Junior, and now him and his team would be content with bouncing away from the fight'.

What do you disagree with on the Fowler fight? Fowler was beating Smith, he was the better fighter up until he fatigued. Skill for skill, I actually don't rate Smith is a better fighter than Fowler 'Fowler's amateur feats of achievement also backed this up'.

Was Fowler vs Smith a easy fight for Smith? Is that what you think? Because it was not a easy fight mate.

Note: If Smith is game for the Eubank Junior rematch, him and his team can know within 24 hours whether this fights is going to happen or not 'To me, it really does appear like Smith is not that game for the rematch'.

Because the rematch is most likely going to be tough brutal fight, like all of his fights at a good level win or lose have been etc.

Again you cannot take away a crucial moment of the fight just to fit a narrative. The reality is Smith hurt and dropped Eubank, that cannot be removed.

Furthermore, you talk about trajectory can you without a shadow of a doubt argue, Smith wouldn't of landed that sort of punch in the fifth or sixth round? No, you can't that's the key issue your attempting to imagine a fight based off three rounds, which just isn't a big enough sample size especially taking into consideration Smith being a slow starter and Eubank being a quick starter.

Furthermore, Eubank putting himself into a bad position does prove something it shows his willingness to give up space and linger on the ropes gives Smith opportunities to land due to the way he arc's his punches. Eubank taking bigger punches from other guy's doesn't mean anything because in boxing it's where and how the shot lands, which causes the damage.

Point me to where I said Fowler was an easier fight for Smith. I stated Smith's ability to slip inside the jab was the key not endurance. Amateur pedigree does not indicate someone being a more skilled fighter because fighter can continue develop within their professional career. I think Smith is the more skilled operator than Fowler purely based off Smith's counter punching variation. Does Fowler have technical advantages? Absolutely, particularly at range but Smith showed the ability to adjust and counter the long range jab of Fowler. Did Fowler manage to Adjust to Smith? That's where the skill difference really showed.

You keep downplaying Smith while attempting to defend Eubank but what we saw in the ring matter's not what could or should of happened. You cannot guarantee Smith doesn't stop Eubank in the fifth or sixth nor can you create a credible argument based off three rounds of boxing, which Eubank never hurt or dropped Smith.

[PRINCEKOOL]

Again you cannot take away a crucial moment of the fight just to fit a narrative. The reality is Smith hurt and dropped Eubank, that cannot be removed.

Furthermore, you talk about trajectory can you without a shadow of a doubt argue, Smith wouldn't of landed that sort of punch in the fifth or sixth round? No, you can't that's the key issue your attempting to imagine a fight based off three rounds, which just isn't a big enough sample size especially taking into consideration Smith being a slow starter and Eubank being a quick starter.

Furthermore, Eubank putting himself into a bad position does prove something it shows his willingness to give up space and linger on the ropes gives Smith opportunities to land due to the way he arc's his punches. Eubank taking bigger punches from other guy's doesn't mean anything because in boxing it's where and how the shot lands, which causes the damage.

Point me to where I said Fowler was an easier fight for Smith. I stated Smith's ability to slip inside the jab was the key not endurance. Amateur pedigree does not indicate someone being a more skilled fighter because fighter can continue develop within their professional career. I think Smith is the more skilled operator than Fowler purely based off Smith's counter punching variation. Does Fowler have technical advantages? Absolutely, particularly at range but Smith showed the ability to adjust and counter the long range jab of Fowler. Did Fowler manage to Adjust to Smith? That's where the skill difference really showed.

You keep downplaying Smith while attempting to defend Eubank but what we saw in the ring matter's not what could or should of happened. You cannot guarantee Smith doesn't stop Eubank in the fifth or sixth nor can you create a credible argument based off three rounds of boxing, which Eubank never hurt or dropped Smith.

I am not taking the punch out of the fight, I am not erasing history.

But I am doing is LOOKING at and analyzing the entire fight 'Outside of that punch'.

And the fact of the matter is, when you do this ? You will understand that Smith was not dominating Eubank Junior 'Smith was not the miles better fighter'.

Lets get this right, Smith vs Eubank Junior was like Alex Steward vs Mike Tyson 'Smith landed a good punch, which in my opinion got him out of a tough fight which he may have still won'.

The history of Liam Smith's career against anyone at a good level 'Shows that most if not all of his fights win or lose, are tough struggles'.

And before Smith landed that anomaly type punch on Eubank Junior, the trajectory of the fight was looking once again to be developing into another tough brutal fight for both fighters 'The likely-hood and the probability before that punch landed, statistically was suggesting that the fight was going to be a tough battle of attrition type action'.

So what I am theorizing is that, maybe Team Smith on some level deep down know believe 'That his win vs Eubank Junior I, is as good as it gets and they would be content with bounce away from the rematch'.

Do you think Smith is game for this rematch? And how do you think the rematch action will play out? Do you think it will end inside 3 rounds again?

I personally think the rematch in terms of action has the potential to be a tough fight for both fighters etc.

[unknowledgeablepugilist]

I am not taking the punch out of the fight, I am not erasing history.

But I am doing is LOOKING at and analyzing the entire fight 'Outside of that punch'.

And the fact of the matter is, when you do this ? You will understand that Smith was not dominating Eubank Junior 'Smith was not the miles better fighter'.

Lets get this right, Smith vs Eubank Junior was like Alex Steward vs Mike Tyson 'Smith landed a good punch, which in my opinion got him out of a tough fight which he may have still won'.

The history of Liam Smith's career against anyone at a good level 'Shows that most if not all of his fights win or lose, are tough struggles'.

And before Smith landed that anomaly type punch on Eubank Junior, the trajectory of the fight was looking once again to be developing into another tough brutal fight for both fighters 'The likely-hood and the probability before that punch landed, statistically was suggesting that the fight was going to be a tough battle of attrition type action'.

So what I am theorizing is that, maybe Team Smith on some level deep down know believe 'That his win vs Eubank Junior I, is as good as it gets and they would be content with bounce away from the rematch'.

Do you think Smith is game for this rematch? And how do you think the rematch action will play out? Do you think it will end inside 3 rounds again?

I personally think the rematch in terms of action has the potential to be a tough fight for both fighters etc.

If you were looking at the whole fight outside of the punch, then you would recognise Eubank was giving up the space and lingering on the ropes, which allowed Smith to open up. You are disregarding how and what lead up to the knockout in favour of a small sample size of round's. There's guarantee Smith doesn't stop Eubank in five or six because what got you Eubank in trouble in the fourth would still be present in those rounds.

You are treating boxing like it's a maths equation with statistics and probability, but the reality is Smith was able to utilise his offence to captailse on Eubanks defensive frailties. The argument of the punch being an anomaly just isn't plausible because in boxing everything has to be analysed on a fight by fight basis due to the different variables. For instance, I'm not going to disregard the point of Eubank being weight drained that's likely a variable.

You know if you analyse fights that it doesn't need for a boxer to be dominant to set up a knockout, it's about adjustments and captailsing on the opponent's mistakes. Is Smith miles better than Eubank? No, I never said he was but he showed the capabilities to captailse on Eubanks error. Eubank had moments but he was never able to put Smith in a position to stop him.

Finally, the rematch could play out completely differently with Eubank correcting the mistakes but that does not make it necessary. The way I see it is you're looking for excuses for Eubank when realistically he was stopped by the better fighter on the night.

[PRINCEKOOL]

If you were looking at the whole fight outside of the punch, then you would recognise Eubank was giving up the space and lingering on the ropes, which allowed Smith to open up. You are disregarding how and what lead up to the knockout in favour of a small sample size of round's. There's guarantee Smith doesn't stop Eubank in five or six because what got you Eubank in trouble in the fourth would still be present in those rounds.

You are treating boxing like it's a maths equation with statistics and probability, but the reality is Smith was able to utilise his offence to captailse on Eubanks defensive frailties. The argument of the punch being an anomaly just isn't plausible because in boxing everything has to be analysed on a fight by fight basis due to the different variables. For instance, I'm not going to disregard the point of Eubank being weight drained that's likely a variable.

You know if you analyse fights that it doesn't need for a boxer to be dominant to set up a knockout, it's about adjustments and captailsing on the opponent's mistakes. Is Smith miles better than Eubank? No, I never said he was but he showed the capabilities to captailse on Eubanks error. Eubank had moments but he was never able to put Smith in a position to stop him.

Finally, the rematch could play out completely differently with Eubank correcting the mistakes but that does not make it necessary. The way I see it is you're looking for excuses for Eubank when realistically he was stopped by the better fighter on the night.

Is Smith going to stop Eubank Junior inside 3 rounds in the rematch? Is he even going to deck him?

I wonder why you cannot state what you think he is going to do? Well in my prior post I have already theorized why people are acting like this.

And that proves my point really which is 'Smith and his entire team, and even Eubank Junior's critics they all know on some level? That Smith's win vs Eubank Junior in the first fight is as good as it is going to get'.

Well boxing matches provide action, and action can be described as information, and information can be analysed and from that WE can predict or debate what is going to happen 'It is not the only way people can discuss fights, but sometimes it is relevant'.

Describing Liam Smith's punch vs Eubank Junior as anomaly is not outrages 'Tell me which fighters at a good level Smith has actually ****** out? Like I said before, most if not all of Smith's fights at a good level win or lose are all tough struggling fights'.

Smith vs Eubank Juinior I, was the first time that Smith has actually won a fight at a good level without it being a tough struggle.

I am not trying to find excuses for Eubank Junior 'He was beaten by Liam Smith, Smith landed a good punch. I know that'.

But I have been trying to understand why Eubank Junior's durability was not up to his normal standard. And there is a definitive view point that has gained traction since his loss to Smith 'That Eubank Junior was suffering from the chronic effects of weight draining himself for the Benn fight'.

Smith does not hit with more punching power than many of the fighters who Eubank Junior has fought, and Junior has never been decked or hurt like that before.

When you take all of this into consideration, and factor in that Eubank Junior is not exactly shying away from this fight 'And it has now been many months since the potential Benn fight'.

The Eubank Junior that potentially will be turning up for the rematch, will be a better conditioned fighter 'I am not trying to claim that Eubank Junior is a super world level fighter. But I will claim, and I will state that Eubank Junior is a game, spiteful, violent, determined extreme competitor'.

And I just honestly believe that Smith's team on the sly, understand that his win vs Eubank Junior is as good as it gets 'The rematch performance is not going to be that good, and they would be content with bouncing away from the fight due to Smith having other options to fight for a Championship title elsewhere'.

Note: I have not really got much more to say on this topic, I have stated all that needed to be said right now 'All the major points have been made' etc.,

[unknowledgeablepugilist]

Is Smith going to stop Eubank Junior inside 3 rounds in the rematch? Is he even going to deck him?

I wonder why you cannot state what you think he is going to do? Well in my prior post I have already theorized why people are acting like this.

And that proves my point really which is 'Smith and his entire team, and even Eubank Junior's critics they all know on some level? That Smith's win vs Eubank Junior in the first fight is as good as it is going to get'.

Well boxing matches provide action, and action can be described as information, and information can be analysed and from that WE can predict or debate what is going to happen 'It is not the only way people can discuss fights, but sometimes it is relevant'.

Describing Liam Smith's punch vs Eubank Junior as anomaly is not outrages 'Tell me which fighters at a good level Smith has actually ****** out? Like I said before, most if not all of Smith's fights at a good level win or lose are all tough struggling fights'.

Smith vs Eubank Juinior I, was the first time that Smith has actually won a fight at a good level without it being a tough struggle.

I am not trying to find excuses for Eubank Junior 'He was beaten by Liam Smith, Smith landed a good punch. I know that'.

But I have been trying to understand why Eubank Junior's durability was not up to his normal standard. And there is a definitive view point that has gained traction since his loss to Smith 'That Eubank Junior was suffering from the chronic effects of weight draining himself for the Benn fight'.

Smith does not hit with more punching power than many of the fighters who Eubank Junior has fought, and Junior has never been decked or hurt like that before.

When you take all of this into consideration, and factor in that Eubank Junior is not exactly shying away from this fight 'And it has now been many months since the potential Benn fight'.

The Eubank Junior that potentially will be turning up for the rematch, will be a better conditioned fighter 'I am not trying to claim that Eubank Junior is a super world level fighter. But I will claim, and I will state that Eubank Junior is a game, spiteful, violent, determined extreme competitor'.

And I just honestly believe that Smith's team on the sly, understand that his win vs Eubank Junior is as good as it gets 'The rematch performance is not going to be that good, and they would be content with bouncing away from the fight due to Smith having other options to fight for a Championship title elsewhere'.

Note: I have not really got much more to say on this topic, I have stated all that needed to be said right now 'All the major points have been made' etc.,

Why I'm not stating what he's going to do or what's going to happen? Because I'm not playing a guessing game when something actually happened. I'm not predicting the future, I'm looking at the facts.

Furthermore, your not analysing the fight instead your using the past performances to suit your narrative. You are attempting to convince yourself instead of looking at what matters the actual fight. Smith maybe not displayed the power or a marquee win like Eubank before the fight but did that impact the result? No, that's the ultimate flaw of your argument. Smith didn't need to display the power or beat a fighter as good as Eubank to actually stop Eubank; that's the issue when dissecting a fight based off previous performance - it does not take into consideration the variables involved the present.

Overall, your issue is everything based on a guess not actual facts about the fight. Not the patterns of the actual fight. You are looking for excuses for Eubank and masking it behind people just don't like Eubank. When in reality all your doing is being incredibly bias in you're attempted analyse of Smith.