Who ranks higher all time, Klitschko's or Lewis?

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  • Bad Boy Dazza
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    #181
    Holyfield is my favourite boxer so you don't have to convince me.

    But that cut on Vitali was far worse and scarier than any damage I ever saw Evander take. And yes he was clearly dominating. When did you last wach the fight? I suggest you watch it again.

    Originally posted by TheGreatA
    Sure he showed he was tough but it's just one display while Holyfield proved it over and over again throughout his career. Vitali wanted to continue after receiving a bad cut which is nothing unheard of.

    He was not "absolutely dominating" Lewis in their fight either and was actually starting to wear down at the end of it:

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    • Mersey
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      #182
      It was not domination, he had a good couple of rounds and took some big shots himself.

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        #183
        Originally posted by ..David..
        or macho camacho and terry norris over Sugar Ray Leonard hahaha

        We are talking who ranks higher as an all timer not in one fight
        dont forget william joppy and vinny paz over roberto duran, and ofcourse trevor berbick over muhammad ali. lol.

        the real messed up thing is vitali wasnt even dominating the fight like that clown tries to say. he beat up on lewis for the first two rounds, the lewis came back. and in the last two rounds before the stoppage lennox was whupping vitalis ass, like always.. lewis has always beena slow starter, thats just his style. but he was taking over like he always does. the only one lucky was vitali, since it was stopped he didnt get knocked clean out. and some of his dumbest fans acctually think hes on lewis' level, which in reality isnt the case.

        if u use both klitschkos as an item maybe they have half the legacy or ability that lewis had.

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          #184
          Originally posted by Merseyside
          It was not domination, he had a good couple of rounds and took some big shots himself.
          Yes it was. He won on all judges score cards, and the HBO team all rated it a clear win had the accidental "scratch" not created the wound.

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            #185
            Originally posted by iDarren
            Holyfield is my favourite boxer so you don't have to convince me.

            But that cut on Vitali was far worse and scarier than any damage I ever saw Evander take. And yes he was clearly dominating. When did you last wach the fight? I suggest you watch it again.
            Originally posted by iDarren
            Yes it was. He won on all judges score cards, and the HBO team all rated it a clear win had the accidental "scratch" not created the wound.
            Evander fought with a torn rotator cuff which is an injury that made Vitali retire on his stool.

            Vitali was not clearly dominating and I just proved it with the video I posted.

            He did not win every round, the fight was 4-2 in favour of Vitali at the end of the sixth. HBO never rated it a clear win for Vitali because he didn't win. His cuts weren't caused by headbutts or elbows, they were caused by punches.

            I guess cutting a man's face to bits with punches isn't regarded as a win anymore.

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              #186
              Vitali fought the worst ever version of Lennox Lewis, a 260 pound slob, and couldn't even finish him like McCall and Rahman did.

              Other than his "win" over Lennox Lewis (which was actually a stoppage loss) he has wins over Corrie Sanders, Sam Peter, Chris Arreola, JC Gomez, Herbie Hide and Kirk Johnson, hardly proof of his all-time greatness.

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                #187
                Originally posted by TheGreatA
                He did not win every round, the fight was 4-2 in favour of Vitali at the end of the sixth.
                I never said he did win every round.


                Originally posted by TheGreatA
                I guess cutting a man's face to bits with punches isn't regarded as a win anymore.
                Not when it was not the result of a punch.

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                  #188
                  Originally posted by iDarren
                  Yes it was. He won on all judges score cards, and the HBO team all rated it a clear win had the accidental "scratch" not created the wound.
                  he was up by 2 rounds and it was 6 rounds to go! 4-2 in rounds is not a domination. especially when your face is ripped open. u can say it wasnt a punch, but the cut wasnt like that after the first "contact". lennox ripped it open with jabs and rights, u act like it got that bad right away, it didnt. also the last two rounds were won by lewis who was coming on strong, liek he always did. hes always been a slow starter, he takes his time to figure his oponent out. he had vitali figured out and was beating his ass in the last 2 rounds, vitali was ready to go cut or not.

                  the fight just wasnt a domination. they had two big rounds each and there were two closer rounds, one of which was vitalis and the other which couldve gon eighter way. the judges had it for vitali, but lots of ppl gave it to lennox making it a even fight after 6. and as we know lewis was taing the fight over.

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                    #189
                    Lewis was coming back into that Klitschko fight after a poor start. Sure he was in poor shape but I thought he had just found his rhythm and that he would have taken out Vitali in the next few rounds. It's the HBO commentary that swings it for most people when they keep saying things like "Lewis is holding on for dear life" etc when Vitali was doing just the same and looked just as dead on his feet/if not more so than Lennox.
                    It's a credit to Vitali that he took some of Lennox's biggest punches and was still standing. The man showed incredible heart, but that cut was one of the worst I've ever seen. Clear and legal win for Lennox if a little unsatisfactory.
                    He probably should have given him the rematch but seeing as he clearly lacked motivation to train for the original fight maybe he thought his motivation for boxing in general had gone. He was talking about the legacy being achieved when he Ko'd Tyson. I think it was at this point his motivation was gone, he had achieved all there was to achieve. If this was the case then he had every right to retire, it's not like the man needed another $20 million now was it?

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                      #190
                      of course Lewis and Wlad shouldnt even be thought of ranking anywhere near Lewis, Lewis beat decent fighters, In the era when Wlad has been around he fought 95% bums

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