Thoughts on Klitschko/Arreola, 2nd Time Around

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    Thoughts on Klitschko/Arreola, 2nd Time Around

    i know there must have been a billion threads about this fight, but lets do a reexamination.

    well, Vitali is still the f#*king man! like i said a decade ago, this guy is no joke.

    onto the fight. holy damn, vitali looked like a welterweight in the ring saturday night! man, i have seen about all of his fights, and he just keeps improving - not even like he has to. his footwork was as near perfect as it gets when it needed to be, and was relaxed when he needed a short break. damn! seriously, it was amazing to see a guy who is nearly 6'8" move in a floyd mayweather type of way. yeah, i am serious - it looked that good. he dodged punches like i have never seen another heavyweight do since Ali. it is like he just decided to show how well he can box in a technical yet pretty damn fluid way. looking at all of the other comments on the net, i agree, it was a masterpeice.

    chris ******* arreola, upon second inspection, did throw more punches than i thought he did. he applied as much pressure as he could. and he did throw a decent amount of punches. he just couldnt hit the guy - who is the 2nd biggest target in the division, but moves so damn well with his 6th sense of punches that he barely got tagged more than a few times. hats off to chris for actually putting up a noteworthy fight(as much as one can fighting vitali) - he did more than gomez and peter combined IMO. but, Vitali is so damned good, it was a losing battle from round 1.

    vitali brought out his boxing skills more in this fight than most any other i can think of off the top. he dodged as punches were starting to be thrown, he pivoted providing movement with a constant dynamic all the while throwing every single type of punch known to boxing, and more. he went toe-to-toe at times, and at others simply moved out of the way(he was fast enough to do that, which is hard to imagine for a guy over 6'6" unless u saw saturday's fight, u might not have even believed it and thought it was an overhyping by a klitschko fan.)

    chris came out with a decent gameplan - apply pressure and throw 'em when there was little space. however, the constant pivoting and boxing clinic foiled christobal's plan A. plan B seemed to be based on being erradic and tossing wild haymakers. which, at times had minimal success. but, VK was litterally a docter in the ring using a surgeon-like precision to land punches in between chris's tightly knit earmuffed defence. he just knows how to adjust on an instant and effectively neutralized anything ******* had in his bag of tricks. i give much props to chris for having the balls to come straight in for much of the fight. i am sure he is still feeling every one of the hundreds of landed punches.

    this fight, vitali was clearly not looking to KO chris with plan A. simply outbox and wear down(the kevin johnson fight was one where vitali displayed his power). it seemed that he did this with unbelievable ease. yeah, this was a masterpeice. arreola's only major punches, outside of a handful of mostly glancing blows came from a half legal half clinch. but, the man tried. and, it was obvious that he wasnt just fighting for a paycheck. so hats off again.

    vitali, well, the man looked like a 23 year old prodigy. in fact, he was more agile than most light-heavies, cruisers, or other lighter weight fighters i have seen. he practically circled with punches the whole fight minus the moments of standing in the huge pocket that vitali has 'cause of his positioning and wingspan.

    so, in retrospect, lets hear what a 2nd look at the fight looks like to u guys.

    the fight was actually more exciting than i originaly thought. both guys did there best. and, while mayweather is an awesome technical boxer, it is more fun to me to see a guy with power execute that type of gameplan.
    Last edited by j; 09-29-2009, 12:49 AM.
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    I knew Arreola was gonna lose after the first round ended...he's too slow to trap Vitali and had no defense for the jab...

    Only one who's gonna beat a Wlad or Vitali is a fit heavyweight who has some real boxing skills and has the size to put a dent in them...

    And I don't see any heavyweight with that...all of these so called threats are becoming easy jab contests...

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      I'm rewatching Vitali/Gomez right now and truth is Gomez did far better than Arreola. Gomez actually won the first round and frustrated Vitali for the first 3-4 rounds when Vitali couldn't quite figure him out and kept missing etc...it's just after Vitali finally started landing and opening up the cut on Gomez's eye, Gomez's will seemed to start getting weaker and weaker and then Vitali destroyed him.

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        #4
        Originally posted by Fulcrum29
        I'm rewatching Vitali/Gomez right now and truth is Gomez did far better than Arreola. Gomez actually won the first round and frustrated Vitali for the first 3-4 rounds when Vitali couldn't quite figure him out and kept missing etc...it's just after Vitali finally started landing and opening up the cut on Gomez's eye, Gomez's will seemed to start getting weaker and weaker and then Vitali destroyed him.
        Gomez is a very good fighter thats why. Not really a HW but a tricky Casamayor like CW.

        Anyway, I rewatched it the next day too and it was just as easy as when I saw it on tequila the night before.

        Pure ownage.

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          the.executoiner...... what i love about VK's game is that he doesnt just throw jabs out there like wladimir does. he started the fight with a left hook i believe. vitali throws as diversified punches as i have ever seen.

          and did u see those many bombs of uppercut-ish straights to the gut of the smaller arreola. damn, for a guy that big to land over 25 power gut-shots with precision, that is something i have rarely, if ever, seen.

          fulcrum, thnx. i will have to go back and watch that fight again. but i remember that vitali didnt seem as motivated in that fight. however, i also didnt feel that he was too frustrated. of course he might have been more technically tricky, but i dont happen to recall him struggling in any way. i guess i will have to go back to my archives and watch it in the next day or two.

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            j is back! point blank. vitali is a top 10 heavyweight of all time period and the second smartest fighter on the planet besides floyd. he is on of the top 3-5 most skilled heavyweights ever to. face it he is a ATG and its no if and or buts. he needs to retire because no one i mean no one can **** with him period

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              #7
              Originally posted by DJ QUIK JR.
              j is back! point blank. vitali is a top 10 heavyweight of all time period and the second smartest fighter on the planet besides floyd. he is on of the top 3-5 most skilled heavyweights ever to. face it he is a ATG and its no if and or buts. he needs to retire because no one i mean no one can **** with him period
              I think Kevin Johnson is the only one that can give him trouble for the first 5 rounds, but if Vitali is still Vitali he should take him out late.

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                Originally posted by j
                the.executoiner...... what i love about VK's game is that he doesnt just throw jabs out there like wladimir does. he started the fight with a left hook i believe. vitali throws as diversified punches as i have ever seen.

                and did u see those many bombs of uppercut-ish straights to the gut of the smaller arreola. damn, for a guy that big to land over 25 power gut-shots with precision, that is something i have rarely, if ever, seen.

                fulcrum, thnx. i will have to go back and watch that fight again. but i remember that vitali didnt seem as motivated in that fight. however, i also didnt feel that he was too frustrated. of course he might have been more technically tricky, but i dont happen to recall him struggling in any way. i guess i will have to go back to my archives and watch it in the next day or two.
                Yup those uppercuts you spoke of were the single most impressive part about the fight to me. They were the single hardest punches that landed in the entire fight and you could hear the smack of them landing on Arreola's fat stomach reverberating throughout the arena.
                You're right I noticed that Vitali didn't seem as motivated in the Gomez fight. It was basically due to that fight that I was worried about Arreola because I thought Vitali had slipped alot but he moved much better, punched much harder in the Arreola fight. In the Gomez fight it just looked like he was fighting more lackadaisically though it was obviously still more than enough to own Gomez.
                I just finished watching it. No, Vitali wasn't that frustrated. Only in the first few rounds I mean but the difference was that there was a very steep drop off in Gomez's will power after about the 4th round or so and at that point it was just another typical owning by Vitali except in this case as I said it just seemed to have taken longer for him to get him out of there because Vitali didn't seem to be too interested, plus maybe he was slightly bothered by the big cut that opened up on his head from a head butt.
                The Arreola fight on the other hand, Vitali owned it right off the bat from the get go but Arreola had far more will power and heart and never gave up whereas towards the middle rounds Gomez had already turned his back several times and the commentators remarked how he was trying to look for a way out of the fight beacuse it was obvious that he no longer wanted to be there, whereas Arreola never acted that way except for brief moments in the last 2 rounds when Vitali rocked him real hard and Arreola kind of started backing up for the first time in the fight as if he was questioning his desire to continue.

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                  did anyone else notice how arreola hopped on his left and right foot quickly to regain balance after getting hit with a decent power shot. it was like his way of shaking off the effects of the punch and not appear wobbled. but i could tell he was.

                  not only the gut shots, but the left and overhand right worked well at times. especially vitali's left earlier, and his right later. he brought that down like a godd*mn hammer!

                  yet, i still say he was not making an effort to power punch his way to victory. it was like he immediately figured out that chris was just going to walk straight in, hands up. and, the smartest thing to do in the instance is to pivot and hit the side of the jaw or go low while making an opening for a split down the center. which is exactly what happened. seriously, vitali is the smartest damn fighter i have seen. floyd is smart, so was tszyu. and a few others as well. lennox was fairly smart. but vitali makes everything look easy like floyd or pacquiao. and, dare i say that his performance was ****ing beautiful.

                  how about an iron fist up the asses of haters. btw, how many haters are left? remember when people said anyone with a pulse or that could apply pressure could beat vitali cause he just steps back. well, i didnt exactly see him getting his ass kicked, or stepping just backwards only.

                  now wladimir, he has to pivot a bit more sometimes like big bro.

                  and, taking your kids to a fight, when you are fighting the godd@mn terminater???? ****** or what? remember byrd's fam when he got tore up by wladimir? not a good idea. clearly!

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                    Originally posted by j
                    the.executoiner...... what i love about VK's game is that he doesnt just throw jabs out there like wladimir does. he started the fight with a left hook i believe. vitali throws as diversified punches as i have ever seen.
                    Your right...Emmanuel kept pointing it out...he's just on a whole different skill level than Arreola...I expected what we saw but I thought it would go the distance...

                    Arreola aint a power puncher...he's too slow...Vitali's too skilled and too big...

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