NSB, you did it for Wilder, why not Ryan Garcia? Let's be consistent

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The problem with using the IBF limit as an excuse is the fact it's done to fighters at THEIR weight class. The IBF do not ask for fighters to be drained down from the weight class up then allow them to only hydrate 10lbs. THAT, would be dangerous and endanger someone's life.

Davis made sure Ryan had a late second weigh-in so he couldn't get any stronger. Usually they take place early in the morning. Not when someone is sabotaging you though to limit your chances of competing.

Drained down lol gtfoh Ryan’s a career lightweight. He made the weight easy enough. He wasn’t doing what he was supposed to do so he was struggling to make 135. His own trainers were calling him lazy and saying he wasn’t doing what he was supposed to do.

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Drained down lol gtfoh Ryan’s a career lightweight. He made the weight easy enough. He wasn’t doing what he was supposed to do so he was struggling to make 135. His own trainers were calling him lazy and saying he wasn’t doing what he was supposed to do.

Ryan hadn't been a LW for 2 and a half years by the time the Davis fight came around. Fighters do move up when they can't make weight any more. They outgrow the division. Such was the case for Ryan. That's why Davis waited until he could gain the advantage like he has his whole career.

Sorry, but the truth is, Davis is a fraud. You know it too but you're desperate for him to be something he's not for some reason.

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Ryan hadn't been a LW for 2 and a half years by the time the Davis fight came around. Fighters do move up when they can't make weight any more. They outgrow the division. Such was the case for Ryan. That's why Davis waited until he could gain the advantage like he has his whole career.

Sorry, but the truth is, Davis is a fraud. You know it too but you're desperate for him to be something he's not for some reason.

What do you mean Davis waited? Mayweather Promotions has been trying to make this fight for years. They offered Ryan the fight twice in the past. I’m putting that more on Oscar than Ryan. Listening to Leonard Ellerbe on the Chris Mannix Boxing podcast prior to the fight I didn’t know that Oscar didn’t have any to do with making this fight. This fight was negotiated between Ryan’s people and Al Haymon. Ryan’s the one, not Oscar, who pushed for the fight and wouldn’t let up until it was made. I just thought that was interesting.

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What do you mean Davis waited? Mayweather Promotions has been trying to make this fight for years. They offered Ryan the fight twice in the past. I’m putting that more on Oscar than Ryan. Listening to Leonard Ellerbe on the Chris Mannix Boxing podcast prior to the fight I didn’t know that Oscar didn’t have any to do with making this fight. This fight was negotiated between Ryan’s people and Al Haymon. Ryan’s the one, not Oscar, who pushed for the fight and wouldn’t let up until it was made. I just thought that was interesting.

Gervonta will talk, but he won't act. It's all a ploy to convince ****** fans that he'll fight anyone when the facts are, he won't. He's done this repeatedly. But when patterns start to be consistent in making sure he has huge advantages before taking a fight, then it's clear which fights he'll take and at what times. Ryan didn't have the identity he was looking for when they were both at LW. He sat back and waited like so many do before jumping on it. The talk is just to keep fans interested when in fact, nothing is going on. It's all a con. They'll then fight whoever is available with the certain identity he's looking for. Smaller, shot, a complete bum etc etc...

Tank has had the option to fight Loma for years and refused. They're waiting until he's a finished force before jumping on it to manipulate the situation and have the narrative be that he'd always would have beaten him. It's all bullshlt though. Floyd made a career of doing it. Wilder did. Charlo. Ortiz. Benavidez. Canelo. and many others. It's just a game that they're not too good in playing. It's boring now. But make no bones about it. It's cheating and cowardly. It's fraud. That is not how real fighters behave.

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Gervonta will talk, but he won't act. It's all a ploy to convince ****** fans that he'll fight anyone when the facts are, he won't. He's done this repeatedly. But when patterns start to be consistent in making sure he has huge advantages before taking a fight, then it's clear which fights he'll take and at what times. Ryan didn't have the identity he was looking for when they were both at LW. He sat back and waited like so many do before jumping on it. The talk is just to keep fans interested when in fact, nothing is going on. It's all a con. They'll then fight whoever is available with the certain identity he's looking for. Smaller, shot, a complete bum etc etc...

Tank has had the option to fight Loma for years and refused. They're waiting until he's a finished force before jumping on it to manipulate the situation and have the narrative be that he'd always would have beaten him. It's all bullshlt though. Floyd made a career of doing it. Wilder did. Charlo. Ortiz. Benavidez. Canelo. and many others. It's just a game that they're not too good in playing. It's boring now. But make no bones about it. It's cheating and cowardly. It's fraud. That is not how real fighters behave.

He never had an opportunity to fight Loma. That’s straight bullsht. Floyd and Arum had a conversation and that’s it. There was never anything close to an offer made. You want to say Ryan wasn’t ready then whatever. He was sure talking a big game at the time. Everyone saw him go on Mike Tyson’s podcast and call Tank out. And it was Ryan that pulled out of the negotiations to pursue that exhibition fight with Pacquiao.

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He never had an opportunity to fight Loma. That’s straight bullsht. Floyd and Arum had a conversation and that’s it. There was never anything close to an offer made. You want to say Ryan wasn’t ready then whatever. He was sure talking a big game at the time. Everyone saw him go on Mike Tyson’s podcast and call Tank out. And it was Ryan that pulled out of the negotiations to pursue that exhibition fight with Pacquiao.

Loma has wanted to fight him for years. Have you actually forgotten the time when Floyd and Tank had one of their fallings out and Floyd threatened to make the fight with Loma only for Tank to reply on his twitter feed, "You're just trying to get me beat"? Every time Loma was mentioned he moved it along and had no intention of fighting him. Trying to reverse reality is not going to cut it.

Floyd has talked for years saying Davis isn't ready yet. But you've forgotten that too? Floyd has spoken clearly about the right time to fight him IE when he's past his best like Floyd did so many times in his bullshlt career to many of his opponents. That's what they're waiting for. They're been waiting to see how long they can keep Haney at the weight and keep an eye on his weight making too. If there comes a point in which they think he's too weak at the weight, then they're going to jump on it. They'll use emotion to manipulate him to stay so Davis has the advantage. This is all planned out.

How can you make an offer to a fighter who has no intention in fighting you? It's been made very clear. An offer of 5 Mill was offered by Eddie Hearn though to fight Tevin Farmer. But guess what? That was turned down. Making offers to someone who clearly doesn't want to fight is pointless. You need to sit down and talk it all over and see what makes sense. But you have to be sincere. Tank has never been sincere in making any of these fights. That's the PBC way. But don't tell me. They'll fight anyone? Haha.

Ryan did go in the direction of Pacquiao when he thought it was on offer. But it wasn't to be. So, he came back to wanting to fight Tank. To make the fight, he had to jump through a load of hoops. Tank didn't. But you think he's wanted this fight all along? You don't make someone jump through that many hoops if you're sincere. You do that because you refuse to fight them unless you can sabotage them to make sure their ability to compete is nullified. You know, like the pattern in all of tanks fights? But you're still pretending otherwise? You're in a cult mentality i'm afraid. Nothing will allow you to believe anything other than your own story even though the mass of evidence says otherwise.

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Loma has wanted to fight him for years. Have you actually forgotten the time when Floyd and Tank had one of their fallings out and Floyd threatened to make the fight with Loma only for Tank to reply on his twitter feed, "You're just trying to get me beat"? Every time Loma was mentioned he moved it along and had no intention of fighting him. Trying to reverse reality is not going to cut it.

Floyd has talked for years saying Davis isn't ready yet. But you've forgotten that too? Floyd has spoken clearly about the right time to fight him IE when he's past his best like Floyd did so many times in his bullshlt career to many of his opponents. That's what they're waiting for. They're been waiting to see how long they can keep Haney at the weight and keep an eye on his weight making too. If there comes a point in which they think he's too weak at the weight, then they're going to jump on it. They'll use emotion to manipulate him to stay so Davis has the advantage. This is all planned out.

How can you make an offer to a fighter who has no intention in fighting you? It's been made very clear. An offer of 5 Mill was offered by Eddie Hearn though to fight Tevin Farmer. But guess what? That was turned down. Making offers to someone who clearly doesn't want to fight is pointless. You need to sit down and talk it all over and see what makes sense. But you have to be sincere. Tank has never been sincere in making any of these fights. That's the PBC way. But don't tell me. They'll fight anyone? Haha.

Ryan did go in the direction of Pacquiao when he thought it was on offer. But it wasn't to be. So, he came back to wanting to fight Tank. To make the fight, he had to jump through a load of hoops. Tank didn't. But you think he's wanted this fight all along? You don't make someone jump through that many hoops if you're sincere. You do that because you refuse to fight them unless you can sabotage them to make sure their ability to compete is nullified. You know, like the pattern in all of tanks fights? But you're still pretending otherwise? You're in a cult mentality i'm afraid. Nothing will allow you to believe anything other than your own story even though the mass of evidence says otherwise.

Like I said the Loma fight was just talk. Floyd and Tank were having their beef at the time no question and Tank wasn’t doing what he was supposed to do. He was missing weight, getting arrested, etc etc. Personally I think it was from Eddie Hearn reaching out to Tank leaking out ridiculous offers is what caused the riff between them. But I don’t know that for a fact that is just my opinion. But that little acting out faze from Tank set his development back about 18 months to 2 years. He was very immature at the time.

They did turn down Eddie’s offer for Farmer but that was Haymon trying to freeze out DAZN at the time. Leonard said several times Tank wasn’t fighting on DAZN. That was a non starter. Showtime was spending a lot of money building Tank up and Haymon and Showtime are in bed together. But they did offer Farmer 2 million to fight on Showtime PPV and he turned it down. And I understood why, even though I thought it was a bad choice. Farmer was being loyal to Eddie who was good to him. But I remember saying damn Farmer will never get another offer like that again. Then he lost his next fight to JoJo Diaz and Covid screwed him out of the rematch. You can’t really believe Tank was afraid of pillow fisted Farmer.

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Like I said the Loma fight was just talk. Floyd and Tank were having their beef at the time no question and Tank wasn’t doing what he was supposed to do. He was missing weight, getting arrested, etc etc. Personally I think it was from Eddie Hearn reaching out to Tank leaking out ridiculous offers is what caused the riff between them. But I don’t know that for a fact that is just my opinion. But that little acting out faze from Tank set his development back about 18 months to 2 years. He was very immature at the time.

They did turn down Eddie’s offer for Farmer but that was Haymon trying to freeze out DAZN at the time. Leonard said several times Tank wasn’t fighting on DAZN. That was a non starter. Showtime was spending a lot of money building Tank up and Haymon and Showtime are in bed together. But they did offer Farmer 2 million to fight on Showtime PPV and he turned it down. And I understood why, even though I thought it was a bad choice. Farmer was being loyal to Eddie who was good to him. But I remember saying damn Farmer will never get another offer like that again. Then he lost his next fight to JoJo Diaz and Covid screwed him out of the rematch. You can’t really believe Tank was afraid of pillow fisted Farmer.

You're saying Tank ducking fighters was down to being immature? I've never had anyone make this kind of claim before. And i've heard all of the excuses.

Tank and Floyd would fall out over anything. They've done it enough times. But falling out because your manager wants you to fight Lomachenko is something Tank has to take responsibility for. He's had his chances over the years and refused every one of them. It's all calculated. He doesn't want the best. He just wants to lie shamelessly to people's faces that he is by beating all his handpicked opponents that can't compete with him for one reason or another by design. Only a fool who is desperate would follow them and justify it all.

It doesn't matter whether Haymon wanted to freeze Eddie out or not. The fact is, Tank had a huge offer to fight a decent fighter for a world title in a one-off deal. He could have gone straight back to the protection club afterwards, but he didn't. That's on him. Making a 2 million dollar offer in return was a non starter when Farmer was in to making more on the DAZN deal. Why would you take an offer for less? Play games all you like, but you have to either match the deal if you want it on your platform or better it. Nor offer less.

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You're saying Tank ducking fighters was down to being immature? I've never had anyone make this kind of claim before. And i've heard all of the excuses.

Tank and Floyd would fall out over anything. They've done it enough times. But falling out because your manager wants you to fight Lomachenko is something Tank has to take responsibility for. He's had his chances over the years and refused every one of them. It's all calculated. He doesn't want the best. He just wants to lie shamelessly to people's faces that he is by beating all his handpicked opponents that can't compete with him for one reason or another by design. Only a fool who is desperate would follow them and justify it all.

It doesn't matter whether Haymon wanted to freeze Eddie out or not. The fact is, Tank had a huge offer to fight a decent fighter for a world title in a one-off deal. He could have gone straight back to the protection club afterwards, but he didn't. That's on him. Making a 2 million dollar offer in return was a non starter when Farmer was in to making more on the DAZN deal. Why would you take an offer for less? Play games all you like, but you have to either match the deal if you want it on your platform or better it. Nor offer less.

I never once said Tank ducked Loma you said that. Neither side made any offer for either side to turn down. Floyd and Bob had a conversation is all that happened. You know how boxing politics works. At the time Loma was getting serious push from ESPN and the same with Tank on Showtime. The fight wasn’t big enough for any kind of cross promotion so it never got past the talking stage. Just because you think Loma can beat Tank doesn’t mean Tank ducked him. I could make the argument Loma was ducking Tank but I don’t believe that to be true.

And as far as Tank and Floyd goes there was all kinds of drama with them at the time for different sht. Not just the stuff with Eddie Hearn, which was real enough for Ellerbe to send Eddie a cease and desist order. I think he sent one to GBP too. And I don’t know what Farmer was going to make for a Tank fight. Could’ve been 2 million maybe more. My point was nobody else was offering him that kind of money. He fought JoJo Diaz for a lot less than that. But I get him saying no. Eddie was good to Farmer and I get staying loyal. I get that. But he’ll never get a 2 million dollar offer ever again in life.

But back to Floyd remember Floyd had shelved Tank for a while. He was also working out with Haney at his gym and there were rumors he was going to train Haney. All that bullsht was going around the same time. I think that’s why Ellerbe took over as the point man for Tank at Mayweather Promotions.

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I never once said Tank ducked Loma you said that. Neither side made any offer for either side to turn down. Floyd and Bob had a conversation is all that happened. You know how boxing politics works. At the time Loma was getting serious push from ESPN and the same with Tank on Showtime. The fight wasn’t big enough for any kind of cross promotion so it never got past the talking stage. Just because you think Loma can beat Tank doesn’t mean Tank ducked him. I could make the argument Loma was ducking Tank but I don’t believe that to be true.

And as far as Tank and Floyd goes there was all kinds of drama with them at the time for different sht. Not just the stuff with Eddie Hearn, which was real enough for Ellerbe to send Eddie a cease and desist order. I think he sent one to GBP too. And I don’t know what Farmer was going to make for a Tank fight. Could’ve been 2 million maybe more. My point was nobody else was offering him that kind of money. He fought JoJo Diaz for a lot less than that. But I get him saying no. Eddie was good to Farmer and I get staying loyal. I get that. But he’ll never get a 2 million dollar offer ever again in life.

But back to Floyd remember Floyd had shelved Tank for a while. He was also working out with Haney at his gym and there were rumors he was going to train Haney. All that bullsht was going around the same time. I think that’s why Ellerbe took over as the point man for Tank at Mayweather Promotions.

I'm saying Tank ducked these fighters. You're excusing it by saying he was "Immature".

It was never allowed to get to the negotiating part. Tank shut it down from the start. He's said outright he didn't want to fight him. Floyd outright said he wasn't ready. This went on for years.

Eddie made a real offer and also played a few games with Ellerbe on account of Ellerbe talking shlt about him all the time. Would Eddie have accepted Tank on DAZN if he wanted to make that move? Sure. But Eddie knew tank wasn't really going to come over. He just wanted to f3ck with Ellerbe and watch him squirm.

Look, it doesn't matter how many times Tank and Floyd make comment on ducking one fighter or another. You're still going to defend it. That's on you. But it isn't real. We'll end this as it isn't going any further. Truth and reality can only go so far with those willing to acknowledge it.