Did Oscar Take A Dive

[WinkyFan]

He may not have been as hurt as he made out but the punch Bernard hit him with was perfect. You can here the impact of the punch and it's not pretty. If you look where the punch landed you'll see it get right round his arm. Genuine knockdown.

[jabsRstiff]

He may not have been as hurt as he made out but the punch Bernard hit him with was perfect. You can here the impact of the punch and it's not pretty. If you look where the punch landed you'll see it get right round his arm. Genuine knockdown.

It's the weakest body punch knockdown I've ever seen.

I don't care where it landed....it had no mustard, & no impact.
Your body is not your head....where nerve-endings can make glancing blows have serious effect.
This is your body. ORGANS have to get ****** in order for damage to occur.

This talk of the placement & effect of this punch is a CLICHE.

The punch stunk.

[WinkyFan]

It's the weakest body punch knockdown I've ever seen.

I don't care where it landed....it had no mustard, & no impact.
Your body is not your head....where nerve-endings can make glancing blows have serious effect.
This is your body. ORGANS have to get ****** in order for damage to occur.

This talk of the placement & effect of this punch is a CLICHE.

The punch stunk.

So you are saying Oscar took a dive? I'd like to see how you would have reacted to that punch. Didn't you hear the impact of the blow? Body punches are some of the most painful in boxing, far more painful than the head. Like i said earlier GENUINE KNOCKDOWN.

[jabsRstiff]

"Took a dive" implies he was paid to do so.
I think he went down & stayed down to avoid taking a beating. He figured he did well enough, put in enough rounds....


If I heard anything....it was a SLAPPING sound, not a THUD.


Could I take the shot ?
That's a ****** question !
I am not a world class fighter, one of the best in the world, who goes up to training camp for 8 ****in' weeks to prepare his body to stand up to BIG PUNCHES.


Can you....name one lb4lber you've seen go down from that ordinary a body shot, & writhe around like Joe Frazier just stuffed his left hook in his gut ?

[WinkyFan]

"Took a dive" implies he was paid to do so.
I think he went down & stayed down to avoid taking a beating. He figured he did well enough, put in enough rounds....


If I heard anything....it was a SLAPPING sound, not a THUD.


Could I take the shot ?
That's a ****** question !
I am not a world class fighter, one of the best in the world, who goes up to training camp for 8 ****in' weeks to prepare his body to stand up to BIG PUNCHES.


Can you....name one lb4lber you've seen go down from that ordinary a body shot, & writhe around like Joe Frazier just stuffed his left hook in his gut ?

You said that was the weakest body punch you have ever seen so that why i said i'd like to see you take it. I fight and i know the pain most fighters will feel in the ring. That punch didn't look like much but it did enough to put him down.

The P4P thing you asked me doesn't matter because i've said once and i'll say it again that Oscar wasn't as hurt as he made out on the floor but the knockdown was genuine. So in our own weird ways i guess we agree because you said that he stayed down to avoid taking a beating.

[jabsRstiff]

You said that was the weakest body punch you have ever seen so that why i said i'd like to see you take it. I fight and i know the pain most fighters will feel in the ring. That punch didn't look like much but it did enough to put him down.

The P4P thing you asked me doesn't matter because i've said once and i'll say it again that Oscar wasn't as hurt as he made out on the floor but the knockdown was genuine. So in our own weird ways i guess we agree because you said that he stayed down to avoid taking a beating.

I fought also...& that's why I have my doubts. Just the opposite of everyone else on here.

[WinkyFan]

I fought also...& that's why I have my doubts. Just the opposite of everyone else on here.

Been a fighter yourself helps relate to the punches some of the fighters are taking. Until you have felt some of them you really have no idea at all to the pain a fighter has to endure. When the blood starts pumping you can ignore alot of punches but there are always key timed hits that will always hurt you no matter what.

How long did you fight for?

[jabsRstiff]

Been a fighter yourself helps relate to the punches some of the fighters are taking. Until you have felt some of them you really have no idea at all to the pain a fighter has to endure. When the blood starts pumping you can ignore alot of punches but there are always key timed hits that will always hurt you no matter what.

How long did you fight for?

A few (two years) in the late 80's. All amateur.

I know, as much as anyone, the pain a fighter must endure. Why do you think I quit ?

Remember....No lb4lber has ever dropped so HARD from such a questionable-looking punch.

The supposedly fragile Felix Trinidad took far more (& better) punches from Bernard Hopkins before he went down, than did Oscar.

If Oscar doesn't have a glass heart, then he has a glass gut.

[WinkyFan]

A few (two years) in the late 80's. All amateur.

I know, as much as anyone, the pain a fighter must endure. Why do you think I quit ?

Remember....No lb4lber has ever dropped so HARD from such a questionable-looking punch.

The supposedly fragile Felix Trinidad took far more (& better) punches from Bernard Hopkins before he went down, than did Oscar.

If Oscar doesn't have a glass heart, then he has a glass gut.

I understand what you are saying and respect what you are saying. I think in that fight he had a glass heart, he had a look of uncertain thoughts when he entered the ring. He knew he was going to have a hard time and he did, that knockdown was the perfect escape from more punishment. I can agree with that but discounting the punch as not even knocking him down is harder for me to swollow. You know yourself as you were a fighter that the slightest punch which connects wrong to the stomach can still kncok the wind out of you.

[jabsRstiff]

I understand what you are saying and respect what you are saying. I think in that fight he had a glass heart, he had a look of uncertain thoughts when he entered the ring. He knew he was going to have a hard time and he did, that knockdown was the perfect escape from more punishment. I can agree with that but discounting the punch as not even knocking him down is harder for me to swollow. You know yourself as you were a fighter that the slightest punch which connects wrong to the stomach can still kncok the wind out of you.

The SLIGHTEST punch (which is exactly what Hop hit Oscar with) can knock the wind out of you...
But not knock you OUT....& have you in such DRAMATICS.

Fighters have the wind knocked out of them all the time, but a real pro takes it & doesn't let it show.