Zhang is dangerous for everybody

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Lol Usyk landed 20 percent of his punches against a slow Anthony Joshua. A master technician would of landed a much higher percentage of his punches. Second Fury throws slapping arm punches, and he is 6'6 1/2 or 6'7. You do realize there have been of 6'5 plus heavyweights since the 1970's right? So Tyson Fury's size isn't anything special. Let me guess you are European or of European descent? People of European descent love to exaggerate everything other Europeans do. Usyk isn't anything special. Fury isn't anything special. Fury's size isn't anything special. Zhang isn't anything special. The current heavyweight division is just bad.

Fury took Joshua to school. Twice. He comprehensively outboxed a guy with significant physical advantages over him. If you don’t think Usyk is a highly skilled technician then you haven’t got a clue what you’re talking about tbh.

Who in the 70’s was Fury’s size and fought like Fury at that size. I know I’m gonna laugh at the names you mention. We’ve never seen a HW Fury’s size who can move like him. I think there’s guys from the past that could beat him but he’s still a unique talent.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

People would maybe have to re-evaluate the Heavyweight power ratings.

If Zhang could deter Joyce with his power, surely? That is one of the most impressive feats of punching power by a Heavyweight in recent times.

What proves punching power are feats of achievement i.e When Haye stunned and hurt Valuev.

Is Wilder really the hardest hitting Heavyweight? What feats of achievement prove this?

Would Fury move forward vs Zhang the same way he did vs Wilder? Would Fury fight that way vs a 270+ fight fighter?

Tyson Fury typically has not fought any solid heavyweight above 230 + pounds offensively 'Fury has only used those tactics against Heavyweights who were not Super Heavyweights'.

I think Fury would beat Zhang, but stylistically it is a interesting fight.

You’re clearly not familiar with Joyce’s amateur career.

Google Joe Joyce vs Sergey Kuzmin.

[shawnkemp804]

People would maybe have to re-evaluate the Heavyweight power ratings.

If Zhang could deter Joyce with his power, surely? That is one of the most impressive feats of punching power by a Heavyweight in recent times.

What proves punching power are feats of achievement i.e When Haye stunned and hurt Valuev.

Is Wilder really the hardest hitting Heavyweight? What feats of achievement prove this?

Would Fury move forward vs Zhang the same way he did vs Wilder? Would Fury fight that way vs a 270+ fight fighter?

Tyson Fury typically has not fought any solid heavyweight above 230 + pounds offensively 'Fury has only used those tactics against Heavyweights who were not Super Heavyweights'.

I think Fury would beat Zhang, but stylistically it is a interesting fight.

Um what feats do Joyce have to prove he has a great chin? Lol not being knocked down by Joseph Parker a guy who isn't known for being a hard puncher? Besides beating Joyce what punching feats does Zhang have? Allowing 6 lowered tiered fighters including a 5'9 190 pound fighter go the distance with him? Andrii Rudenko walked through Zhang's power and even laughed at him. So I guess Rudenko has the greatest chin in boxing history now right?

Let me repeat. the moment a person uses the term super heavyweight. You know they are either 12, some adult who never watched boxing a day in their life but repeats what other people tell them . Zhang isn't a 270 pound fighter. He is a 230 pound fighter who constantly comes into the ring fat. It is like saying George Foreman was a 270 pound fighter because doing his comeback he came into the ring weighing 267 before. No Foreman came into the ring fat. Even Joyce himself is a 230/240 pound fighter who often comes into the ring fat. James Toney a middleweight came into the ring weighing 257 later on. Do you think that is his natural weight? Jermaine Franklin a 6'0 tall fighter weighed 277 pounds before. So I guess based off your logic Franklin is bigger than Wladimir or Vitali Klitschko because none of them ever weighed that much.

Clearly you have no ideal what you are typing about. You are just repeating stuff you heard other people say. There is no such thing as a super heavyweight. Once you are 200 pounds you are a heavyweight which is why the current heavyweight champion of the world is Usyk a 198 pound 6'2 inch guy who actually beat Joyce before.

[JakeTheBoxer]

You guys overreact so much.

Zhang is a tough stylistic fight for Joyce because Joyce is slow, robotic and doesn’t move his head.

Zhang has nothing to trouble Fury or Usyk. Even Wilder takes out Zhang early IMO, he ain’t getting out the way of that right hand. AJ has already beaten Zhang in the Ams too, I think he might’ve stopped him.

Well, I won`t give anybody a credit for fantasy wins.

Fury and Usyk have belts. It is time to defend them.

If they want me to believe they beat Zhang, they must beat him.

[JakeTheBoxer]

And one "good" night against slow Joe Joyce doesn't make him a huge threat either. I am begging to think that 99 percent of the people who post here are either trolls, 12 year old kids or other people who don't know anything about boxing. You do realize if you are going to going to say the fatter you are the harder you puncher then Jarrell Miller is the hardest punching current heavyweight right? Lol being fat doesn't make you punch harder but the fact that you think this pretty much proves you lack of boxing knowledge. Zhang couldn't hurt or knock out various opponents. Eric George a 5'9 190 pound fighter, Glenn Thomas, Juan Goode, Rodney Hernandez, and Andrii Rudenko all went the distance with Zhang. Zhang isn't anything special.

Neither are Usyk and Fury. Zhang is more than good enough to hurt them. That is my point.

[JakeTheBoxer]

Wow, Zhang beats a man who fights in slow motion and he's suddenly the biggest killer in boxing

Usyk, Fury, Wilder, AJ all beat Zhang, and I'd back someone like Anderson to beat his old azz as well.

Yes, I totally believe you.

Fury beats everybody. That is why he fights all Chisora`s they can find for him in Uk.

[PRINCEKOOL]

Um what feats do Joyce have to prove he has a great chin? Lol not being knocked down by Joseph Parker a guy who isn't known for being a hard puncher? Besides beating Joyce what punching feats does Zhang have? Allowing 6 lowered tiered fighters including a 5'9 190 pound fighter go the distance with him? Andrii Rudenko walked through Zhang's power and even laughed at him. So I guess Rudenko has the greatest chin in boxing history now right?

Let me repeat. the moment a person uses the term super heavyweight. You know they are either 12, some adult who never watched boxing a day in their life but repeats what other people tell them . Zhang isn't a 270 pound fighter. He is a 230 pound fighter who constantly comes into the ring fat. It is like saying George Foreman was a 270 pound fighter because doing his comeback he came into the ring weighing 267 before. No Foreman came into the ring fat. Even Joyce himself is a 230/240 pound fighter who often comes into the ring fat. James Toney a middleweight came into the ring weighing 257 later on. Do you think that is his natural weight? Jermaine Franklin a 6'0 tall fighter weighed 277 pounds before. So I guess based off your logic Franklin is bigger than Wladimir or Vitali Klitschko because none of them ever weighed that much.

Clearly you have no ideal what you are typing about. You are just repeating stuff you heard other people say. There is no such thing as a super heavyweight. Once you are 200 pounds you are a heavyweight which is why the current heavyweight champion of the world is Usyk a 198 pound 6'2 inch guy who actually beat Joyce before.

Nice one.

And actually I agree with some of your analysis regarding the term Super Heavyweight.

Within this modern era, most Heavyweights who claim they are super heavyweights 'Are actually heavyweights out of condition'.

I have stated many times before on here mate, similar things you are speaking about in your post 'I could put up some of my prior posts in relation to this subject. Which then would probably make you edit your entire posts regarding me'.

Mike Tyson at his heaviest was 239 pounds vs Neilson 'By Tyson's own standards he was out of condition'.

If that version of Mike Tyson was fighting in today's era of Heavyweights 'You would get certain folk trying to claim that he is a Super Heavyweight'.

I personally don't rate fighters like Chisora, Whyte as Super Heavyweights. In reality there are very few genuine solid at the weight super heavyweights these days 'But there sure are plenty of Heavyweights out of condition at-least in comparison to past Heavyweight era's'.

And those same Heavyweights, claim that the number of the weigh in scales makes them a Super Heavyweight.

That is how far the standards and training cultures in the Heavyweight division have altered.

I am not quite sure why you are claiming, that I don't know what I am talking about 'Because really, I am the only individual constantly highlighting these sort of area's of the game' I don't buy into this modern era of Heavyweights, being the era of genetic marvel monsters.

Training cultures in Heavyweight boxing have altered, which I have actually spoken about in past posts 'I will leave one of those posts below'.

Note: I would have to disagree with you, regarding your stance of there being no such thing as a Super Heavyweight. There such a fighter that can be classed as a Super Heavyweight 'And those are fighters who are solid at the weight naturally, and don't need to pumped themselves up into the higher weights of the Heavyweight division'.

Tyson Fury is without a shadow of a doubt, is a Super Heavyweight. But what I am stating, is that although Fury is a Super Heavyweight 'He is not this big monster people try and make him out to be'.

This era of Heavyweights are not the monsters people try and make out 'I think what you have picked up on, is how the training culture within the Heavyweight division has altered'.

Most Super Heavyweights these days are ether manufactured or heavyweights out of condition 'Not all but many of the fighters are'.

And what I mean by manufactured is that post Lennox Lewis's retirement, the training culture in the Heavyweights division altered. You had fighters obsessing over mass, and trying match the incoming threat of the Super Heavyweight invasion 'That was coming'.

What this resulted in is generations of modern day fighters, ether body building and pumping themselves up to a certain weight or Heavyweights just being out of conditioning but 'Thinking it is acceptable because they are Heavyweights'. These are the fundamental traits of this Heavyweight era.

Completely new training culture, the Heavyweight division in past era's was never about this 'Fighters predominately focused their training on conditioning and fitness'.

The highest weight Mike Tyson ever weighed in a fight was 239 pounds vs Neilson 'And this was Mike Tyson out of condition by his own standards'.

Now? If that Tyson was active in today's era, you would get some people claiming that he was a super heavyweight.

Far too many people just look at the weights, and think these modern super heavyweights are monsters 'I don't think this is the picture entirely'.

Most Heavyweights in past era's, if you track their conditioning 'They always kept within a range'.

Mike Tyson throughout 95% of his career, his fight night weights were pretty much within a 10 pound range approximately 'Over a span of two decades Mike Tyson was always between 215-216 pounds to 226 pounds' When ever he went over this range, by his own standards he was out of condition.

The point I am trying to make is, the standards that Heavyweights in past era's held themselves to in terms of conditioning 'Was a higher standard than what we are witnessing today'.

Bowe was not renowned for his conditioning, or his work ethic 'But he was a genuine Super Heavyweight, he did not need to body build himself up'.

For the most part Bowe came to fight in good condition. He was abit like a Ricky Hatton type of fighter 'Golota I is the only fight were Bowe was miles out of condition'.

Note: I am not criticizing fighters who have certain body types, and I also understand that it is not a numbers game 'But you can gather some information from the statistics'. I am highlighting that the standards of modern Heavyweights these days hold themselves to 'Is clearly not as high as past Heavyweight era's' And this is because the training culture within this Heavyweight era has altered.

I believe the culture of past Heavyweight era's was more focused on conditioning, fitness and endurance. Heavyweights in the 70's, 80's or 90's were not obsessing over gaining 10-20 pounds in mass 'They were not body building or pumping themselves up to a certain weight' They came into camp knowing already that they are Heavyweights, and now they need to improve their overall conditioning,fitness and endurance 'Through various old school training methodologies, that have been developed throughout history' The same techniques that are still the fundamentals of the game today.

Off Topic, but Deontay Wilder was duped by this era. Wilder went from 212 pounds to 238 pounds, over a duration of 3 fights vs Tyson Fury. Wilder as a fighter was lethal, effective and in his best condition when he was 212 pounds 'And presumable just being himself in training'.

The Heavyweight division is a open class division, it is the ultimate division.

[shawnkemp804]

Neither are Usyk and Fury. Zhang is more than good enough to hurt them. That is my point.

Well, at least you are right on that. Usyk and Fury aren't anything special either.

[Dodger07]

Zhang deserves props for taking on two highly touted, undefeated fighters in Hrgovic and Joyce and beating both (shouldve gotten W against Filip). He's like a Luis Ortiz, a technically sound lefty with legit power and questionable stamina.

[HeadShots]

Zhang deserves props for taking on two highly touted, undefeated fighters in Hrgovic and Joyce and beating both (shouldve gotten W against Filip). He's like a Luis Ortiz, a technically sound lefty with legit power and questionable stamina.

he's much better than Ortiz. More power and sturdier. Joyce's punches were tickling him. Joyce stops Ortiz.