if Juan Manuel Marquez wins a title at 140, is he an ATG?

[Pullcounter]

I know some will say that he is already an ATG, but for the most part it seems like hes not an ATG with the majority.

So what do you guys think? He would be the first Mexican to win championships in 4 divisions. NO OTHER mexican has done this, not julio cesar chavez, not ricardo lopez, not erilk morales, not barrera....no one. And for him to do all of this at age 36, not being a natural jr welter, heck not even a natural light weight, people were saying he didnt look his best at light weight. He already moved up 2 weight divisions to meet the largest mayweather we have seen and gave a valient effort for a decision loss.

if he unifes maybe.

[El Chicano]

Yeah I think he's borderline now so that should easily be enough to push him over the edge.

I reckon he can do it too. Urango, Alexander and Khan should be easy pickings for him really. Bradley would give anyone trouble but I'd put my money on JMM in that one too.

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[Oasis_Lad]

Just about, yeah. As it stands right now, he's a HOF'er but not an ATG.

[RingTech01]

i don't think jmm is concerned with a vain attempt at atg status at this stage in his career. he's probably focused on payday fights.

[Zarco]

No.. basically your saying he becomes an ATG if he beats AMir Khan

Someone show me his resume and tell me why he deserves to be an ATG, HOF sure ATG i don't buy it.

well manny pacquiaos status got elevated after he beat morales, de la hoya, and hatton. those are just names to me, what did they bring to the table at the time of the fight? amir khan>those three guys on the nights they fought pac.

morales is an ATG for beating barrera and pacquiao.

[Leakbeak]

Like Hopkins he's already an ATG, because of what he has done at his age. Not because of what he has actually done! Same goes for B-Hop.

[Zarco]

If he beat someone of Bradley's calibre then yes, but i don't think anyone else is good enough to make him great.

barrera is an atg for beating hamed and morales.

[MOTHER DUCKER]

well manny pacquiaos status got elevated after he beat morales, de la hoya, and hatton. those are just names to me, what did they bring to the table at the time of the fight? amir khan>those three guys on the nights they fought pac.

morales is an ATG for beating barrera and pacquiao.

Well that's pac and i would say alot of his wins are very overated, he got Morales? yeah sure after he was drained/faded (hell he even lost to him). Hoya.. disgraced himself, Hatton ill give credit to him for how he dismantled Hatton, but Fatton was faded as well and had clearly lost his punch resistance as seen vs Lazcarno/Pac. He owned Barrera tho props for that..


Currently i think Marquez is HOF material ATG is pushing it unless he gets 2 more big wins like Bradley and Pac for sure he would be.

[S.G.]

The thing is the guys at 135 and 140 have not accomplish much yet, so beating any of those champs wont be enough.


he needs to beat Pacquiao for sure and lets say, Bradley or a unified champ, not a single champ. Because hm beating Khan or Alexander at this point means ****!!!!!

Hmm I think a Pacquiao win is a big ask. I mean, I don't think any of us regard him quite on that level and not being quite as good as Pacquiao doesn't prevent him from becoming an ATG in his own right.

A win over Pacquiao would be amazing but I think he can pursue other courses should that fail.

A win over Bradley would be great and Hopkins-Pavlik-esque (except Bradley is the superior boxer and has a better record than Pavlik). I personally think he should seriously try and make a fight with Khan. Beating a highly touted cash-cow prospect coming off decent wins over Kotelnik and Barrera and picking up a strap in process would be great, plus it would be a good choice for this stage in his career as it won't shave any years off his career even if he loses. At worst he would be outboxed (highly unlikely of course).

[larry x]

i think he already is a top 100 atg..and a 4th division belt would put him in the top 70-80 atg range