So, "impressive" Fury`s career in a few lines
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They mean something. He fought them away and when they were on long unbeaten runs.
Lewis and Tyson didn't even fight Bowe and they fought each other way too late. So Furys best 2 wins Wilder and Wlad are all ready better than Tyson and Lewis's best 2 wins. Add Usyk to that soon
1) #beat them away' this isnt soccer. this means nothing. in fact tyson fury had more fans in attendance than wilder did.
wlad was also fighting away in germany. he is ukranian so it was neutral ground.
2) the unbeaten runs of both guys are irrelevant. what's more relevant is the quality of their opponents over that time period.
now with Wlad, id argue that wlad carrying the belts for so long, going through the motions....and then becoming a father for the first time, with a partner (that hayden girl) going into post partum depression a month before the fight, is a pretty big deal.
PLUS why do you want to ignore the fact fury was pumped full of nandrolone at the time?
that totally wipes out his win aswell as the fact he refused to honour the rematch.
Wilder always had a joke resume, but it's more than that. that ortiz 1 fight was full of cheating, illegal rabbit punches, wrestling moves etc..and the second ortiz fight was a blatant fix to hype up wilder. ortiz was paid off and took a dive. def one of the fakest knockouts ive seen, on the same level as the malik scott one.
i find it hard to believe that ortiz could get up multiple times after being punched illegally in their first fight, only to magically fall in the second fight. now if you think im wrong, tell me ortiz vs flores wasnt fixed? 'da floating rib shot' or whatever lennox kept calling it. having witnessed that, it was obv 'they' were trying to create this hype around these pbc guys for the big aj payday. eg is ortiz looked like a monste,r it hyped up wilder. they were clamouring for the 'wilder deserves 50%' argument.
all that's happened is wilder cherry picked fury and paid the price. john fury has also openly said this..and he was angry when he said it, angry at wilder's accusations, which is when he (john fury) spoke some harsh truths about wilder being a cherry picker.
i dont really get why we should hype fury knowing all that.
Usyk deserves the hype. Even right now fury's purposely forced the fight to take place when usyk was supposed to be fasting for lent, something he does every year.
3) ive always said the 90s/early 00s era is overrated. tyson was not really tyson. evan fields was juicing. lennox didnt need to do a lot, his best was 97-99. i cant say it was all that impressive. not like he was fighting back to back killers. it's just that the post ali/80s era got a lot of charles martin esque fake champs and then the late 90s gen swept up. just a lot of american hype back then.
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Skill for skill, in terms of pure boxing 'You may have a point'.
Usyk's wins over Joshua are also great wins.
But historically in terms of magnitude Fury's two wins over Wilder are greater 'Wilder was a unbeaten WBC World Heavyweight Champion with 10 defenses of his titles'.
Coming into this match up, Usyk does have the best most recent wins at Heavyweight.
Fury's last two fights have barely been at World level, and his last fight vs Chisora 'Was a European level fight'.
Usyk fought Chisora when he was still a World level fighter, and actually training with the intention to win 1000%.
Chisora is a great British fighter, and has had great career. But I don't think his intentions going into fights since the Uysk fight 'Have been to win 1000%'.
Chisora for awhile had a market of fans, that just wanted to see him in good dramatic brutal fights 'Chisora was miles out of condition vs Fury'.
I don't rate Fury's last two performances very highly. He was doing nothing much against Whyte until the knock out, and refused to fight Chisora head on 'Even after agreeing to fight in this manner, against a miles out of condition Chisora'.
Regardless historically within his current Heavyweight era 'Tyson Fury does have the two greatest wins still vs Kiltschko & Wilder'.
Note: The only other Heavyweight who I think has a equal greatest win to Tyson Fury is Anthony Joshua. I have always been adamant that Joshua fought a better version of Kiltschko than Fury 'A Kiltschko who had to endure 3 back to back training camps, and by his own estimation was in his best condition ever'.
Joshua not only beat Kiltschko 'He knocked Kiltschko out in the greatest Heavyweight title fight of the past 20 years'.
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i agree, his jab hand was definitely back in the glove at times in fight 1 and he slapped wilder at the side of the head with his wrist a few times, im sure it was a deliberate ploy in the fight, the downside to it is u cant land any proper punches with that hand either, fury might argue the glove was a bit loose and he is always messing with his gloves, ive seen him bite them in fights as far as i can remember but do u believe him?Comment
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How’s this ; I wish all three would go away
I actually picked Wlad to win Fury and Wilder to win Fury. Got proved wrong so i give him his credit, cause he proved himself with the wins. People talk about aj resume but povetkin at 40 pulev at 40 takam ruiz are not impressive to me. I wamted aj to fight wildet and fury and still do then i will give him more credit. Fury i said he was finished when he had his 3 yrs out and he come back and beat Wilder more than once. And Wilder isn't as bad as people make out. I rate all 3 wilder aj fury, whatever people say wilder is still a big threat to anyone, aj has done good as well, but furys is the most impressive as he fought wilder and now is fighting usyk and both whilst they were in their prime and undefeated.
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Where am I saying Wilder is good?Funny how these people think , just fughin hilarious
I bet you were one who stated Wilder is chit until Fury beat him and cause your nuthugging Fury , now you must state Wilder is good
Of course that was probably done with your alt account but wtv
Anyways stating that he beat Wlad ( old and on his way out ) and Wilder just makes me cringe
Ffs not to give an old Wlad a rematch , he went on a hiding spree , we still don’t know if it was the coke or Wlad
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