Comments Thread For: Robert Garcia Says Anthony Joshua Needs A 'Stricter Camp'

[The D3vil]

Smaller people in general huh? average height in America is 5'9 it's 5'11 in the UK and that is the case in almost every single European country, USA is comparatively "small"... so how does that work.

Which makes sense given their horrendous diets and lack of psychical activity in general.

Immigrants from Latin America & Asia bring our averages down.

Most Blacks & Whites are generally not that short.

[Hooded Terror]

Ray Mercer and others from that era, would do very well today, despite fighters today being heavier and taller. Something is missing from today's heavyweights. Size isn't everything

Agreed. The passing of great trainers such as Steward, Futch, Benton, Miller and a few others takes much away from the unseen push the heavyweights enjoyed in the 90's. I remember the period just after Rid**** Bowe won the World heavyweight title (sorry Lenny). He registered 8lbs higher two months later for his first title defense and the media, along with a few notable heavyweights heaped harsh criticism upon Big Daddy. Fact is, Bowe was in terrific boxing condition at that point. Today, 6'5" fighters so often sport a heavily muscled buff look when they aren't fat-asses; they lack a certain fluidity in most cases and despite either look, they seem to gas quickly.

I wish we had 1st title defense Bowe around today, with Eddie Futch behind him.

[PRINCEKOOL]

Agreed. The passing of great trainers such as Steward, Futch, Benton, Miller and a few others takes much away from the unseen push the heavyweights enjoyed in the 90's. I remember the period just after Rid**** Bowe won the World heavyweight title (sorry Lenny). He registered 8lbs higher two months later for his first title defense and the media, along with a few notable heavyweights heaped harsh criticism upon Big Daddy. Fact is, Bowe was in terrific boxing condition at that point. Today, 6'5" fighters so often sport a heavily muscled buff look when they aren't fat-asses; they lack a certain fluidity in most cases and despite either look, they seem to gas quickly.

I wish we had 1st title defense Bowe around today, with Eddie Futch behind him.

This era of Heavyweights are not the monsters people try and make out 'I think what you have picked up on, is how the training culture within the Heavyweight division has altered'.

Most Super Heavyweights these days are ether manufactured or heavyweights out of condition 'Not all but many of the fighters are'.

And what I mean by manufactured is that post Lennox Lewis's retirement, the training culture in the Heavyweights division altered. You had fighters obsessing over mass, and trying match the incoming threat of the Super Heavyweight invasion 'That was coming'.

What this resulted in is generations of modern day fighters, ether body building and pumping themselves up to a certain weight or Heavyweights just being out of conditioning but 'Thinking it is acceptable because they are Heavyweights'. These are the fundamental traits of this Heavyweight era.

Completely new training culture, the Heavyweight division in past era's was never about this 'Fighters predominately focused their training on conditioning and fitness'.

The highest weight Mike Tyson ever weighed in a fight was 239 pounds vs Neilson 'And this was Mike Tyson out of condition by his own standards'.

Now? If that Tyson was active in today's era, you would get some people claiming that he was a super heavyweight.

Far too many people just look at the weights, and think these modern super heavyweights are monsters 'I don't think this is the picture entirely'.

Most Heavyweights in past era's, if you track their conditioning 'They always kept within a range'.

Mike Tyson throughout 95% of his career, his fight night weights were pretty much within a 10 pound range approximately 'Over a span of two decades Mike Tyson was always between 215-216 pounds to 226 pounds' When ever he went over this range, by his own standards he was out of condition.

The point I am trying to make is, the standards that Heavyweights in past era's held themselves to in terms of conditioning 'Was a higher standard than what we are witnessing today'.

Bowe was not renowned for his conditioning, or his work ethic 'But he was a genuine Super Heavyweight, he did not need to body build himself up'.

For the most part Bowe came to fight in good condition. He was abit like a Ricky Hatton type of fighter 'Golota I is the only fight were Bowe was miles out of condition'.

Note: I am not criticizing fighters who have certain body types, and I also understand that it is not a numbers game 'But you can gather some information from the statistics'. I am highlighting that the standards of modern Heavyweights these days hold themselves to 'Is clearly not as high as past Heavyweight era's' And this is because the training culture within this Heavyweight era has altered.

I believe the culture of past Heavyweight era's was more focused on conditioning, fitness and endurance. Heavyweights in the 70's, 80's or 90's were not obsessing over gaining 10-20 pounds in mass 'They were not body building or pumping themselves up to a certain weight' They came into camp knowing already that they are Heavyweights, and now they need to improve their overall conditioning,fitness and endurance 'Through various old school training methodologies, that have been developed throughout history' The same techniques that are still the fundamentals of the game today.

Off Topic, but Deontay Wilder was duped by this era. Wilder went from 212 pounds to 238 pounds, over a duration of 3 fights vs Tyson Fury. Wilder as a fighter was lethal, effective and in his best condition when he was 212 pounds 'And presumable just being himself in training'.

The Heavyweight division is a open class division, it is the ultimate division.

[Hooded Terror]

This era of Heavyweights are not the monsters people try and make out 'I think what you have picked up on, is how the training culture within the Heavyweight division has altered'.

Most Super Heavyweights these days are ether manufactured or heavyweights out of condition 'Not all but many of the fighters are'.

And what I mean by manufactured is that post Lennox Lewis's retirement, the training culture in the Heavyweights division altered. You had fighters obsessing over mass, and trying match the incoming threat of the Super Heavyweight invasion 'That was coming'.

What this resulted in is generations of modern day fighters, ether body building and pumping themselves up to a certain weight or Heavyweights just being out of conditioning but 'Thinking it is acceptable because they are Heavyweights'. These are the fundamental traits of this Heavyweight era.

Completely new training culture, the Heavyweight division in past era's was never about this 'Fighters predominately focused their training on conditioning and fitness'.

The highest weight Mike Tyson ever weighed in a fight was 239 pounds vs Neilson 'And this was Mike Tyson out of condition by his own standards'.

Now? If that Tyson was active in today's era, you would get some people claiming that he was a super heavyweight.

Far too many people just look at the weights, and think these modern super heavyweights are monsters 'I don't think this is the picture entirely'.

Most Heavyweights in past era's, if you track their conditioning 'They always kept within a range'.

Mike Tyson throughout 95% of his career, his fight night weights were pretty much within a 10 pound range approximately 'Over a span of two decades Mike Tyson was always between 215-216 pounds to 226 pounds' When ever he went over this range, by his own standards he was out of condition.

The point I am trying to make is, the standards that Heavyweights in past era's held themselves to in terms of conditioning 'Was a higher standard than what we are witnessing today'.

Bowe was not renowned for his conditioning, or his work ethic 'But he was a genuine Super Heavyweight, he did not need to body build himself up'.

For the most part Bowe came to fight in good condition. He was abit like a Ricky Hatton type of fighter 'Golota I is the only fight were Bowe was miles out of condition'.

Note: I am not criticizing fighters who have certain body types, and I also understand that it is not a numbers game 'But you can gather some information from the statistics'. I am highlighting that the standards of modern Heavyweights these days hold themselves to 'Is clearly not as high as past Heavyweight era's' And this is because the training culture within this Heavyweight era has altered.

I believe the culture of past Heavyweight era's was more focused on conditioning, fitness and endurance. Heavyweights in the 70's, 80's or 90's were not obsessing over gaining 10-20 pounds in mass 'They were not body building or pumping themselves up to a certain weight' They came into camp knowing already that they are Heavyweights, and now they need to improve their overall conditioning,fitness and endurance 'Through various old school training methodologies, that have been developed throughout history' The same techniques that are still the fundamentals of the game today.

Off Topic, but Deontay Wilder was duped by this era. Wilder went from 212 pounds to 238 pounds, over a duration of 3 fights vs Tyson Fury. Wilder as a fighter was lethal, effective and in his best condition when he was 212 pounds 'And presumable just being himself in training'.

The Heavyweight division is a open class division, it is the ultimate division.

Outstanding. Thank you.

[BodyBagz]

AJ, as all boxers are, is the boss.
Bosses do as they please.

That is unless a trainer pays the boxer

[Roberto Vasquez]

It auto corrected to statics who cares really? you're still rétarded...

And dealt with means engage with it's not difficult to comprehend, I know you fantasize about men but don't put your proclivities on to me...

And no official statistics don't prove Americans are taller than people from the UK, the opposite is true.

I've literally just told you 14% of the USA are 6ft and taller and 25% of the UK is 6ft and taller, the average man in America is 5'9 200 pounds and it's 5'11 and 185 pound in the UK respectively.

Anyone with two brain cells to rub together can figure it out.

And I certainly aren't threatened by taller guys add to that it's just a touch rare to bump into anyone taller considering <1% of the world is taller than me...

And why would I wish the UK was bigger/taller then America, I quite frankly couldn't careless tbh, I just responded to your just ****** assertion that's the case when it isn't.

Showing you are ****phobic there. Now we know you are a US-hater as well. Same era of person, who still goes on about the US being late to WWII.... Who else bothers to look up "statics" on how tall men are in each country to feel better? Someone who feels inferior I guess

Dealt with does not mean engage. "I dealt with Mrs Stevens from down the road today" . Really?

Using your figures

14% of 330 million people = 46 million people
25% of 67 million = 16 millions people

So you see - over twice as many tall people in the US.

But if you want to come up with a reason as to why really there are more tall people in the UK (and ignore the fact that more than 10% of the population lives in London) and it makes you feel better then I am happy for you.

[Boro]

Showing you are ****phobic there. Now we know you are a US-hater as well. Same era of person, who still goes on about the US being late to WWII.... Who else bothers to look up "statics" on how tall men are in each country to feel better? Someone who feels inferior I guess

Dealt with does not mean engage. "I dealt with Mrs Stevens from down the road today" . Really?

Using your figures

14% of 330 million people = 46 million people
25% of 67 million = 16 millions people

So you see - over twice as many tall people in the US.

But if you want to come up with a reason as to why really there are more tall people in the UK (and ignore the fact that more than 10% of the population lives in London) and it makes you feel better then I am happy for you.

Over all number is irrelevant. I've already explained this to you, you do understand what statistical significance right?

No one cares nor is it relevant that there is more people in America that are taller then 6 ft i'm sure that would be the case in China or India but no one is going imply either region is inherently a taller nation...

Your London argument is a complete failure as well when 12% of America also lives in California except you can almost fit 2 united kingdoms inside of California and it's still only got like 57% of the UK's population living there, also your failure to understand that the UK is 715 people/sq mile vs 91 people/sq mile therefore much more likely to see taller people and as I said it's a statically taller country, despite your attempts at arguing to the contrary.

[Roberto Vasquez]

Over all number is irrelevant. I've already explained this to you, you do understand what statistical significance right?

No one cares nor is it relevant that there is more people in America that are taller then 6 ft i'm sure that would be the case in China or India but no one is going imply either region is inherently a taller nation...

Your London argument is a complete failure as well when 12% of America also lives in California except you can almost fit 2 united kingdoms inside of California and it's still only got like 57% of the UK's population living there, also your failure to understand that the UK is 715 people/sq mile vs 91 people/sq mile therefore much more likely to see taller people and as I said it's a statically taller country, despite your attempts at arguing to the contrary.

No offence but I don't really care enough to argue with you. Lets say you are right - I'm sure my original point was there are way more potential taller and bigger boxers in the US. I stand by that. it's not really about how many tall people you see when you go out in the street

In recent tears just not so many US people are going into boxing - they are going into other sports. If you look at the big UK and US heavyweights - most of them are black. I'm too lazy to see if black people are taller than white people but the US has a lot higher black population than the UK. How many big white heavyweights do we have? not many

[Boro]

No offence but I don't really care enough to argue with you. Lets say you are right - I'm sure my original point was there are way more potential taller and bigger boxers in the US. I stand by that. it's not really about how many tall people you see when you go out in the street

In recent tears just not so many US people are going into boxing - they are going into other sports. If you look at the big UK and US heavyweights - most of them are black. I'm too lazy to see if black people are taller than white people but the US has a lot higher black population than the UK. How many big white heavyweights do we have? not many

You don't care to argue but you've attempted it miserably multiple times!?

And no black people aren't taller then white people on average either but cute little opinion you have...

And you first little failed statement was "England is a small country, with smaller people than the US in general. The US should have a ton of top-HWs but they must be going elsewhere. Probably into other sports" which isn't even factual.

But the latter part also applies to the UK because boxing is a niche sport and far more "big" guys are interested in the likes of rugby,football and so on.

Then you have the little fact that almost every successful man in positions of power are over 6'2 and you quickly come to realise why you don't see heavyweight boxers much anywhere because it's basically reserved for bums with no other options, there is a reason it's called the poor mans sport...