Ray Leonard Would've Fought Shane Mosley Out of Retirement

[DLT]

Im going to tell all of you like Roger says, "you must dont know **** about boxing"!


Some of the things being said in this thread is so dumb. Ripping Floyd for fighting JMM when SRL fought Duran. I heard people talk about SRL fighting Hagler is equivlent to Floyd fighting Pavlik. How is that? SRL started his career at WW,was a huge WW, and retired for 5 years which makes him now closer to a MW anyways. Floyd was only gone for 2 years, his 1st weight was SFW and is already in his 4th class while SRL fighting Hagler is only being in his 3rd class.

Then people say that SRL wouldnt duck anyone but its widely known that he ducked Pryor and he openly admits that he only fought Hagler because he saw Hagler looking shot in his previous fight. He wanted no parts of Hagler before that. Also, why no criticism from you guys for Hagler calling out a WW in SRL who has been retired for many years?

Then I heard someone say that SRL would never do anything like come in 2 pounds overweight. This is the same SRL who won a SMW & LHW title in 1 fight by beating the LHW champ at 168 pounds. Come on now.

Then I hear people talking about Cotto and who he has fought compared to Floyd. Again, Cotto is basicaly in his 1st weight class and is a physical guy at the weight. Who should he fear? Dude was at 140 coming into the ring at 157 pounds. At WW he comes in at 160. Why should he duck anyone? Floyd is in his 4th weight class and until he retired he always came into the ring at no more than 148 pounds. Tell Cotto to go to MW or SMW considering how huge he was at 140, come into the ring dead on the weight limit and beat the elite guys at that weight. Lets see him do that before you start saying what he's done is 10x better than Floyd.

Do you guys pay attention or do you just talk? I love SRL but its the same thing with him. Who did he fight that was such a huge risk besides Hagler? Sure he fought Hearns and some other great WW's but he started his career at WW and was a good size WW. Do you think Floyd wouldve feared anyone at SFW which was his 1st class? Do you think he wouldve ducked anyone in history at that weight? Hell No. You guys must dont know **** about boxing.

Its the same thing with Mosley. Floyd asked to fight him twice and he didnt want it but now Floyd is supposed to break his neck to fight Mosley because he's crying? Why would Floyd fight Mosley when he has a Pac fight on the line? Its just like Mosley not fighting Williams because he has a Floyd or Pac fight on the line. Its common sense. People fall for that stuff because they hate Floyd but Mosley is just desperatly looking for a pay day more then he is really wanting to beat Floyd. He would get just as much credit inside of boxing if he beat Williams but he wants no part of that. He wants the money. He's not scared of Williams but he wants to get paid 1st. Its the same thing Floyd is doing. You never turn down a huge pay day when you have it. I didnt see Hopkins breaking his neck to make Shane fight Floyd when Floyd asked and I didnt see Floyd crying when Shane wouldnt. I also didnt see Hopkins breaking his neck to fight Dawson who was also there on Saturday and you had to pull his teeth to get him to fight RJ. Boxers are the biggest hypocrites there is and you guys falll for it

[RL_GMA]

Im going to tell all of you like Roger says, "you must dont know **** about boxing"!


Some of the things being said in this thread is so dumb. Ripping Floyd for fighting JMM when SRL fought Duran. I heard people talk about SRL fighting Hagler is equivlent to Floyd fighting Pavlik. How is that? SRL started his career at WW,was a huge WW, and retired for 5 years which makes him now closer to a MW anyways. Floyd was only gone for 2 years, his 1st weight was SFW and is already in his 4th class while SRL fighting Hagler is only being in his 3rd class.

Then people say that SRL wouldnt duck anyone but its widely known that he ducked Pryor and he openly admits that he only fought Hagler because he saw Hagler looking shot in his previous fight. He wanted no parts of Hagler before that. Also, why no criticism from you guys for Hagler calling out a WW in SRL who has been retired for many years?

Then I heard someone say that SRL would never do anything like come in 2 pounds overweight. This is the same SRL who won a SMW & LHW title in 1 fight by beating the LHW champ at 168 pounds. Come on now.

Then I hear people talking about Cotto and who he has fought compared to Floyd. Again, Cotto is basicaly in his 1st weight class and is a physical guy at the weight. Who should he fear? Dude was at 140 coming into the ring at 157 pounds. At WW he comes in at 160. Why should he duck anyone? Floyd is in his 4th weight class and until he retired he always came into the ring at no more than 148 pounds. Tell Cotto to go to MW or SMW considering how huge he was at 140, come into the ring dead on the weight limit and beat the elite guys at that weight. Lets see him do that before you start saying what he's done is 10x better than Floyd.

Do you guys pay attention or do you just talk? I love SRL but its the same thing with him. Who did he fight that was such a huge risk besides Hagler? Sure he fought Hearns and some other great WW's but he started his career at WW and was a good size WW. Do you think Floyd wouldve feared anyone at SFW which was his 1st class? Do you think he wouldve ducked anyone in history at that weight? Hell No. You guys must dont know **** about boxing

You gotta understand something, not everyone follows the same timeline on when to go up to different weight classes. There are fighters who in their entire career only fight in 2 weight classes. Ray Leonard fought a good amount of his career at Welterweight, from when he came up as the Olympic champion all the way to fighting Tommy Hearns. As far as Roberto Duran, there's a reason why him coming up to fight Leanord was a big deal, because he was clobbering people at 135 and was much stronger than anyone in the division by far let alone he was already moving to WW. Marquez was a career SFW who had 2 fights at Lightweight then moved to WW to fight arguably the #1 fighter in the world...at age 36. Night and Day bro...

The point of the entire thread from what I see is guys like Leonard took risks against the best fighters that were out there. Besides maybe Aaron Pryor (which partially due to his own battle with drugs), Ray Leonard fought any and everybody that counted during his reign even before fighting Hagler. Coming out after a lengthy hiatus and making his debut against the Undisputed Middleweight champ added that much more to his legacy.

Floyd has great names under his belt, but during his reign at the top...his competition has been lack luster considering the opposition out there he has yet to face. But truthfully, I think he will be fighting both Cotto and Mosley next year. So as of now, the ball's in his court. Let's see what he does with it.

[ILLuminato]

Ray Leonard wouldn't have fough Michael Jennings or Alfonso Gomez

Leonard is a class above every fighter actively fighting, don't compare

I belive that Leonard/DLH/Mosley would've been competitive though (all in primes)

[Vasyl’s dad]

You gotta understand something, not everyone follows the same timeline on when to go up to different weight classes. There are fighters who in their entire career only fight in 2 weight classes. Ray Leonard fought a good amount of his career at Welterweight, from when he came up as the Olympic champion all the way to fighting Tommy Hearns. As far as Roberto Duran, there's a reason why him coming up to fight Leanord was a big deal, because he was clobbering people at 135 and was much stronger than anyone in the division by far let alone he was already moving to WW. Marquez was a career SFW who had 2 fights at Lightweight then moved to WW to fight arguably the #1 fighter in the world...at age 36. Night and Day bro...

The point of the entire thread from what I see is guys like Leonard took risks against the best fighters that were out there. Besides maybe Aaron Pryor (which partially due to his own battle with drugs), Ray Leonard fought any and everybody that counted during his reign even before fighting Hagler. Coming out after a lengthy hiatus and making his debut against the Undisputed Middleweight champ added that much more to his legacy.

Floyd has great names under his belt, but during his reign at the top...his competition has been lack luster considering the opposition out there he has yet to face. But truthfully, I think he will be fighting both Cotto and Mosley next year. So as of now, the ball's in his court. Let's see what he does with it.

[DLT]

You gotta understand something, not everyone follows the same timeline on when to go up to different weight classes. There are fighters who in their entire career only fight in 2 weight classes. Ray Leonard fought a good amount of his career at Welterweight, from when he came up as the Olympic champion all the way to fighting Tommy Hearns. As far as Roberto Duran, there's a reason why him coming up to fight Leanord was a big deal, because he was clobbering people at 135 and was much stronger than anyone in the division by far let alone he was already moving to WW. Marquez was a career SFW who had 2 fights at Lightweight then moved to WW to fight arguably the #1 fighter in the world...at age 36. Night and Day bro...

The point of the entire thread from what I see is guys like Leonard took risks against the best fighters that were out there. Besides maybe Aaron Pryor (which partially due to his own battle with drugs), Ray Leonard fought any and everybody that counted during his reign even before fighting Hagler. Coming out after a lengthy hiatus and making his debut against the Undisputed Middleweight champ added that much more to his legacy.

Floyd has great names under his belt, but during his reign at the top...his competition has been lack luster considering the opposition out there he has yet to face. But truthfully, I think he will be fighting both Cotto and Mosley next year. So as of now, the ball's in his court. Let's see what he does with it.

Again, until recently how can you argue with the fact that Floyd was a WW by name only? He only moved up to chase Oscar. Even all the writers admit that whenever they see him he's around 150 pounds. He's not a big cat but he kept moving up. Why do you think JMM took the fight? He took it for the same reason that Hatton took it. They both basicaly said that they wouldnt fight any other WW but they would fight Floyd because they didnt beleive he was a real WW. When all the WW's were trying to fight Floyd they all said the same thing. They all would criticize eachother by saying that he only wants to fight Floyd because he knows Floyd is small and doesnt belong at WW. Then they would turn right around the next day and challange Floyd themselves. I saw the post fight presser when Floyd was in a suit and Shane was standing side by side him and it looked like night & day. Dude was definatly atleast 1 weight class bigger and probably 2 weight classes bigger. I bet Floyd is still only like 152 despite what people think and all the other WW's are 160 or more.

Im telling you that SRL's risk are nothing compared to what people are asking Floyd to do. Again, do you think Floyd would hesitate fighting any of those WW's if this was his 1st division and he came into the ring at 160 naturaly just like them? It changes everything. Everything but people dont want to see that. I remember seeing Floyd fight Zab & Baldy coming into the ring at 146-148 while Baldy was 165. Then I would watch Pac fight EM at SFW and come into the ring at 147 pounds. People never pay attention to that stuff and act like it doesnt matter at all. Then you wonder why one guy is blowing threw everyone and the other guy now feels like he has to pot shot to win. Its 2 guy basically the same size but fighting 4 classes apart. Thats why Pac is up here now. Everyone is surprised but dude was 147 even at SFW.

Like ****m Richardson says, when he sees Pac in person he doesnt think "how can this guy fight at WW", he thinks to himself "how did this guy ever fight at LW, let alone below that". He's a big guy who was killing himself to make weight and beat up on little guys. He crushed EM and made him look like a boy in the ring. It was physicaly like a man vs a boy and thats why EM quit. It was like he was fighting a WW. Your not going to fear anyone in that case. Thats why I laugh when people try to make it sound like Floyd always picks on little guys. I bet if you pull up the actual fight night weights right now then there is no one that has even come close to Floyd in terms of being the smaller man in the ring. Dude was 138 on fight night at LW, 143 on fight night at SLW, and 146-148 on fight night at WW. He's always the smaller man in the ring and in most cases he was much smaller. Meanwhile Pac had like one of the best bodies I ever saw and easily would put on 10-17 pounds after every weigh-in. You dont think that changes anything? No one talks about that though. Cotto putting on 17 pounds at SLW for every fight. He probably wouldve had about 5 losses at that weight if it wasnt strictly for his size & strength. He would be losing but eventualy he would break those small guys in half

[Da Hammer]

If Sugar Ray took even the length of time off Floyd did, does anyone else not agree that he would've gone straight for Mosley?

Thoughts...

Hell Sugar Ray probably goes after Paul Williams. Honestly Sugar Ray makes Williams, Floyd, Mosley, Pac, and Cotto his bitches. He easily beats all of them.

[Vasyl’s dad]

Again, until recently how can you argue with the fact that Floyd was a WW by name only?

WW by name only?



Him winning the welterweight championship completely disagrees with you.

Fighting against Zab Judah completely disagrees with you.

Defending that same championship against Ricky Hatton completely disagrees with you.

Fighting Marquez at what Floyd himself said was a welterweight fight completely disagrees with you.

A total of 6 fights at 147 and up completely disagrees with you.

You're going to have to come with something better than that sister.

[Pullcounter]

SRL isn't a ducker.... he would fight mosley

[DLT]

WW by name only?



Him winning the welterweight championship completely disagrees with you.

Fighting against Zab Judah completely disagrees with you.

Defending that same championship against Ricky Hatton completely disagrees with you.

Fighting Marquez at what Floyd himself said was a welterweight fight completely disagrees with you.

A total of 6 fights at 147 and up completely disagrees with you.

You're going to have to come with something better than that sister.

if JMM had his next 6 fights at WW, would he then be one? If RJ had stayed at HW then would he be a real HW? If Floyd chooses to have his next 5 fights at SMW, would he be any more then a SMW by name only?

[RL_GMA]

if JMM had his next 6 fights at WW, would he then be one? If RJ had stayed at HW then would he be a real HW? If Floyd chooses to have his next 5 fights at SMW, would he be any more then a SMW by name only?

But Floyd CAMPAIGNED at 147, it wasn't just a pit stop let alone he DEFENDED the belt against Hatton (an unranked WW) after the Oscar fight. He then makes his return (at the same weight) and took on a Lightweight who fought at Lightweight as recent as April of THIS YEAR.

How do you justify that?