pac-pbf are both draws

[tesla_power]

This is just a different view regarding their status.


This is just an opinion.

Check out the ppv history and you would get the highest draws in history.
1. de la hoya
2. mike tyson
3. evander holyfield

-- notice they are all americans and they are fighting on american soil. For pbf to draw 2.4M, 1M, etc..., means he is right there among the top drawers. But again he is an american and las vegas is even his home. For pacquiao to draw 1.2M,850K... on american soil is a testament to his status in the AMERICAN public. If the odds will play right, he will always be lower against Pbf in common name opponents due to the simple fact that he is playing is someone else's yard. This is where Pbf can argue that he is the draw.

-- Regarding their last 3 performances on ppv,
PBF a. DLH -- ok but nothing that would back up his statements on 24/7
b. Hatton -- took him 4 rounds to figure hatton and proceeded to dismantle him. great fight.
c. Marquez -- never tested him. KD him but not KO him. Was really just tuned to see Marquez land a prayer but alas never happened. Also, didn't he say prefight that pac KD jmm and didn't get him out... that if he KD jmm, he would finish him off. never happened. Was not that exciting because Marquez was never in the fight amd Pbf never let his hands go.

PAC a. DIAZ -- one sided beating but he is showing off his offensive skills here making it exciting.
b. DLH -- one-sided beating showing off that he can negate reach and height advantage while still displaying his offense
c. Hatton -- too short but a KD and KO like that in the paying public would always bring them back to see them fight.

-- Their styles is in contrast with one another. Pac offensive style, as now more visibly seen by the american public, would draw more casual fans. PBF, defensive masterpieces, sad to say will be highly appreciated by boxing purist/fans. This is why I think he is playing the bad guy so he can get more people to see him but in the ring, he does turn off the casual fans because he often could not deliver what he promised them. This is where pac can argue he is the draw.

In summary, Pbf can draw because of the american drawing power and Pac can draw because of the strength of his last few fights, the public will clamor that they see more of pac. So 50/50 is fair.

Again, just my opinion.

[We want Floyd]

No fighter would ever hire you if you're gonna negotiate it that way. You can't be subjective, you would have to be objective.

Arum and whoever is behind Floyd ain't about being fair, it's about getting over on someone, it's just the way it is.

When was the last time there was a 50/50 fight, between fighters who seemed more or less equal in drawing power, and ring accomplishments?

In fact, alot of mega-fights never came to fruition, it was lil things that broke-off negotiations, there was a story before about a fighter backing out of a proposed fight just because fighter A felt he should be getting the nicer hotel suite and the other camp didn't wanna give in. lil b.s. that really shouldn't matter but it does to these guys.

[Benny Leonard]

I understand the "home" base thing but I've always wondered how far can we stretch that since many foreigners have conquered the fans of America.

Example:




So I'm basically saying....it is still about the product you are selling.

[Benny Leonard]

No fighter would ever hire you if you're gonna negotiate it that way. You can't be subjective, you would have to be objective.

Arum and whoever is behind Floyd ain't about being fair, it's about getting over on someone, it's just the way it is.

When was the last time there was a 50/50 fight, between fighters who seemed more or less equal in drawing power, and ring accomplishments?

Floyd will use the PPV numbers against Pac. How they match up...I'll have to see the exact results from Floyd's last fight (in ink) as well as Pac's fight with Cotto. It's not like Cotto isn't a big name.

To get the fight done, from a fan stand-point....50/50 is fair. But to business guys like Team Pacquiao vs. Team Mayweather....different story. Numbers will be brought up.

[We want Floyd]

Floyd will use the PPV numbers against Pac. How they match up...I'll have to see the exact results from Floyd's last fight (in ink) as well as Pac's fight with Cotto. It's not like Cotto isn't a big name.

To get the fight done, from a fan stand-point....50/50 is fair. But to business guys like Team Pacquiao vs. Team Mayweather....different story. Numbers will be brought up.

What did you think I was alluding to, duh

[PAC-BOY]

Floyd will use the PPV numbers against Pac. How they match up...I'll have to see the exact results from Floyd's last fight (in ink) as well as Pac's fight with Cotto. It's not like Cotto isn't a big name.

To get the fight done, from a fan stand-point....50/50 is fair. But to business guys like Team Pacquiao vs. Team Mayweather....different story. Numbers will be brought up.

.Manny fights for Legacy, Money, his family ,his country!
FLoyd fights for himself!

[tesla_power]

No fighter would ever hire you if you're gonna negotiate it that way. You can't be subjective, you would have to be objective.

Arum and whoever is behind Floyd ain't about being fair, it's about getting over on someone, it's just the way it is.

When was the last time there was a 50/50 fight, between fighters who seemed more or less equal in drawing power, and ring accomplishments?

In fact, alot of mega-fights never came to fruition, it was lil things that broke-off negotiations, there was a story before about a fighter backing out of a proposed fight just because fighter A felt he should be getting the nicer hotel suite and the other camp didn't wanna give in. lil b.s. that really shouldn't matter but it does to these guys.

I see your point. But, the data in the pay-pay-view is heterogenous. Meaning, there is no way to really tell who of the paying customers is giving out their money to. Of the 2.4ppv in dlh-pbf, what percentage do you give to dlh/pbf? Which is why,IMO, negotiations are subjective not objective.

You can argue that pbf's portion(pbf-dlh) is only 10% of the total buys, while pac's portion(pac-dlh) is 50%. We do not really know.

I don't want to get hired. I hate to be in negotiations... that is just a fans view. If numbers will be the sole basis, then Pbf should be the draw.

[tesla_power]

I understand the "home" base thing but I've always wondered how far can we stretch that since many foreigners have conquered the fans of America.

Example:




So I'm basically saying....it is still about the product you are selling.

True. This is why I say pac has earned the 50% if they ever do fight. Numbers alone do not tell the entire story. Number by itself is incorruptible, but how it is presented is the key to any negotiations.

Due to globalization, homebase advantage have less bearing now but still it is an advantage. How do you view pac's drawing power if he is american?

[Benny Leonard]

True. This is why I say pac has earned the 50% if they ever do fight. Numbers alone do not tell the entire story. Number by itself is incorruptible, but how it is presented is the key to any negotiations.

Due to globalization, homebase advantage have less bearing now but still it is an advantage. How do you view pac's drawing power if he is american?

Not sure. By now, he is known so what he is may be it. What I may be able to say is that there may have been a possibility that his numbers earlier on in his career, like his fights against MAB, Morales, and even JMM...would have been bigger if he were an "American" and promoted right (which is key) from an earlier stage. Sometimes the story is a good starting point for promotion...like Batman. If someone is from your country and they see a story they can relate to or feel for that they can root for...fans may come.
But it isn't always the case. Not all Americans become popular. For all of Shane's ability and excitment, he was never Oscar...not even close. That's why he is begging for a fight with Pac and Floyd and not vice-versa.

But Batman...yeah....we love him. Captivate the young audience is key.

Athletes, Musicians, Actors....many that are foreign born that have captivated the American audience. Many factors may apply why but sometimes it can make you scratch your head.