Comments Thread For: WBC Prez: This is The Perfect Time For Tyson Fury vs. Oleksandr Usyk

[Boxingfanatic75]

You’re confused. The Bald Bull guy was saying that every HW fight has leaning and hugging. So I gave two different examples where there wasn’t just to show that he is wrong about this as well. Making such generalizations is ****** bcs all anyone needs to do is find one example in the history of the sport where it didn’t happen and his argument is proven false.

So no need to watch anything.

I gladly admit I don’t like Fury. He is a tremendous fighter with a very high boxing IQ but his conduct in and out of the ring is often repulsive and his record is full of cowardly choices. He weaseled out of the Wlad rematch, tried to weasel out of Wilder III, he fought Schwarz. Wallin was a total cherry pick gone wrong as well. Now Chisora. This isn’t suitable for a champion.

And his fights recently have been way, way too full of hugging and truly it is such a shame if he gets away with it against Usyk for the Undisputed championship. I would much prefer actual boxing over his rassling.

Fair.

[Ghost Jab]

Tremendous power? Neither one of them possess that. Fury got his knock out from Wilder by laying on him and mauling him using veteran dirty tactics, which I am not against, until he exhausted him and went in for the kill. But pure power is not an attribute that Fury or Usyk are regarded as having.

I meant that they were powerful, but not that they have great punching power. They both are capable of enforcing their will in the ring, like bulls. Oleksandr Usyk and Tyson Fury are two of the most feared heavyweight boxers of this current generation. They both have cultivated an aura of near-invincibility. Tyson Fury in that even in his worst form against the hardest punching heavyweight, refused to stay down. Dismantled Wilder twice and a Klitschko once. Usyk in that he unified a very competitive Cruiserweight division and twice beat one of the best pure heavyweights of the last thirty years.

[Rebelrbg]

I meant that they were powerful, but not that they have great punching power. They both are capable of enforcing their will in the ring, like bulls. Oleksandr Usyk and Tyson Fury are two of the most feared heavyweight boxers of this current generation. They both have cultivated an aura of near-invincibility. Tyson Fury in that even in his worst form against the hardest punching heavyweight, refused to stay down. Dismantled Wilder twice and a Klitschko once. Usyk in that he unified a very competitive Cruiserweight division and twice beat one of the best pure heavyweights of the last thirty years.

Understood, I thought you meant power, punching wise. I'm still not quite sold on Usyk as a heavyweight. As a cruiserweight, yes, he was unbeatable, but the heavyweight division is a different animal.

He's not really small, but being his size in this division, he has to have some serious pop in his punches, which doesn't seem to be the case. Joshua allowed Usyk to box with him instead of consistently forcing the issue, as Fury would have, as the naturally much bigger and stronger man. When AJ pressed the fight on him, he had his best periods of success, but he didn't have the gas to keep it going.

Were Usyk to get in the ring with Wilder, Deontay is definitely not going to box with him for long periods before he brings the fight to him. Usyk can't maul him, lean all his weight on him, and wrestle like Fury to gas him out; he's too small to find any success in that approach. At some point, I think Wilder puts him to sleep.

[hugh grant]

Fury v joyce is a unbelievable fight, better than fury v usyk. But I understand fury v usyk should come first, that's the order of things.
We need to get fury v usyk made as we don't know what future brings. Fury v joyce will happen in 2023..
As will fury v josh.....in Nov 2023

[Ghost Jab]

Understood, I thought you meant power, punching wise. I'm still not quite sold on Usyk as a heavyweight. As a cruiserweight, yes, he was unbeatable, but the heavyweight division is a different animal.

He's not really small, but being his size in this division, he has to have some serious pop in his punches, which doesn't seem to be the case. Joshua allowed Usyk to box with him instead of consistently forcing the issue, as Fury would have, as the naturally much bigger and stronger man. When AJ pressed the fight on him, he had his best periods of success, but he didn't have the gas to keep it going.

Were Usyk to get in the ring with Wilder, Deontay is definitely not going to box with him for long periods before he brings the fight to him. Usyk can't maul him, lean all his weight on him, and wrestle like Fury to gas him out; he's too small to find any success in that approach. At some point, I think Wilder puts him to sleep.

Wilder is a great heavyweight boxer with tremendous punching power, but I believe that Usyk could outbox him in a match. Wilder hits hard, but he simply cannot seem to sustain athleticism for long periods of time. Fury is not particularly athletic either, but used his size, strength, and ring generalship to defeat the smaller Wilder. Usyk, on the other hand, is a smaller heavyweight than both of them, but with great boxing skills, athleticism, and stamina. If he fights Wilder, I think that Usyk's boxing skills, speed, and stamina would be the difference in a match between these two great heavyweight boxers. I would put the odds at around 60/40 in favor of Usyk, personally.