Comments Thread For: Bivol on Canelo Rematch: First He Said It Wasn't His Weight Class, Now It's His Arm; What [Can I] Say?

[Boro]

I agree fought a guy moved up 6 weight classes. He’s been a champion in 4, but he’s moved up 6. This guy won’t Even move up one. He would have to fight usyk and he still wouldn’t be at canelo’s level.

Canelo's first title was against a guy who's never fought at 54 and his belt at 75 was against an old faded, drunkard in Kovalev who had an extremely short camp coming off a hard fought fight and he still slapped hydration clauses on him.

And his 68 run wasn't great either BJS who never looked good at 68, Smith was coming off a dodgy win over Ryder and Plant is arguably a worse orthodox version of BJS.

And you even could argue it was the worse era of champions at 68 ever, how surprising then that Canelo would choose that time to make his move.

Which all these "moves" he made like the kovalev, fielding etc etc fight also just so happens to conveniently help him in avoiding the trilogy with GGG, at least until he thinks he's sufficiently shot...

As for Bivol moving up why would he, he's a small LHW it'd be rétarded of him to move up... Canelo boiled himself down for years and just moved up to a more natural weight.

[Boro]

Canelo wins the rematch. The loss was actually a positive . Yall recall how bivol was being written off in the lead up to their first fight?nelo -haters completely underestimated bivol and now canelo doesn’t have a chance of winning according to them. The win boosted bivol profile that it’ll be a great win for Alvarez. We all saw how big the task was. Get him to shell up than attack the body before creating an angle than counter from there. With his facets to his game it’s interesting to get a sequence going to prepare

It won't take much for Canelo to win that's the saddest thing, it was a 9-3, 10-2 kinda of fight and the judges had it inexplicably close so as you say now that's Canelo is as good as written off if he wins he'll be elevated to ****** levels more so than now.

All he needs to do is win 3 rounds clearly and he's won the fight or better yet drops him and it's guaranteed he wins, sadly for Bivol.

I'd much rather see him fight Beterbiev but that might most likely will be off the table should he lose to Cinnamon and it's better to see that than this recent version of Canelo again...

[Slowhand]

I agree fought a guy moved up 6 weight classes. He’s been a champion in 4, but he’s moved up 6. This guy won’t Even move up one. He would have to fight usyk and he still wouldn’t be at canelo’s level.

[Boxing Scene]

It won't take much for Canelo to win that's the saddest thing, it was a 9-3, 10-2 kinda of fight and the judges had it inexplicably close so as you say now that's Canelo is as good as written off if he wins he'll be elevated to ****** levels more so than now.

All he needs to do is win 3 rounds clearly and he's won the fight or better yet drops him and it's guaranteed he wins, sadly for Bivol.

I'd much rather see him fight Beterbiev but that might most likely will be off the table should he lose to Cinnamon and it's better to see that than this recent version of Canelo again...

9 to 3 wtf you talking about dude. Canelo didn't win a god damn round. Not 1.

[Boxing Scene]

I'd be shocked if Canelo fights this man again, especially at 175. Another washing by the same fighter puts a major dent in his stock going forward.

He already has a bunch of major dents. The guy is a proven drug cheat two times. Always plays weight games and when he loses because he's not good enough he has 20 excuses. He so ****in delusional he thinks he's going to win a rematch because he got shoulder surgery lol..

[Citizen Koba]

He should do what Canelo did and fight Andy Ruiz. At least the PbC guys move up in weight. These guys However, stay in 1 weight class and build their career fighting small good guys coming like ggg did. Gggs best wins were Kell Brook and Danny Jacobs who also moved up in weight, and they still struggle. The Ukrainian brothers Are built different. Usyk and Loma, they move up and take all challenges. But Bivol, Beterbiev, and Kovalev are trash.
Kovalev dominated a small Ward.

How is that even vaguely similar? A fully physically mature Canelo in his late 20s was fighting as a MW... he last made 154 not long after his 26th Birthday and he didn't weigh in at 147 since he was a kid. Even in his early 20s Canelo was rehydrating up to over 172Lbs which is really middleweight territory.. even some lean Super-Middles only go to 172 - 174 in the ring. Even allowing that he was 154 in early maturity moving up 21Lbs only represents something like 13.5% bodyweight.

Current physically mature Canelo is a full blown SMW who could probably no longer even make 160 and gave up at most 5% bodyweight against Bivol (I suspect it was actually more like 2%) and not a great deal more against Kovalev. Bivol would be giving up about 40% bodyweight even against a slimmed down 250Lb Ruiz.

Baffling to me that people still fail to apprecaite that the male body fills out and becomes more solid and heavier as we move through our 20s and that the typically trajectory of most high level fighters who start young is to move up at least one weight class through their 20s as they fill out and often one more at around 30 or a touch later as rehydration becomes more grueling on the older body and they're unable to cut as much weiight without a performance impact.

Moving up for most of these guys is much less to do with 'challenging themselves' and much more to do with simple biological necessity. There are exceptions of course, just as there's also some unusually disciplined or genetically fortunate fighters who can continue to make weight even as the clock ticks down on their careers, but they are the exception rather than the rule.

Mostly with the top level ammys likle Bivol or Beterbiev they were already pretty much physically mature before they ever turned pro in their mid 20s, and some of them (Bivol and GGG are good examples) actually turned pro in a heavier class than the lowest they could have reasonably made, typically for financial or marketability reasons

Furthermore the leap between Light Heavy and Cruiser is by far the biggest gap between any divison in boxing both in absolute terms and as a percentage of bodyweight. It is the equivalent of leaping about 3 regular weightclasses at once.

[Oldskoolg]

It’s great I see true boxing fans finally seeing what Canelo is all about and how his career has been careful support by the boxing establishment. His only defenders are those who are doing it out of some sick nationalism

[Chris Hanson]

Canelo's first title was against a guy who's never fought at 54 and his belt at 75 was against an old faded, drunkard in Kovalev who had an extremely short camp coming off a hard fought fight and he still slapped hydration clauses on him.

And his 68 run wasn't great either BJS who never looked good at 68, Smith was coming off a dodgy win over Ryder and Plant is arguably a worse orthodox version of BJS.

And you even could argue it was the worse era of champions at 68 ever, how surprising then that Canelo would choose that time to make his move.

Which all these "moves" he made like the kovalev, fielding etc etc fight also just so happens to conveniently help him in avoiding the trilogy with GGG, at least until he thinks he's sufficiently shot...

As for Bivol moving up why would he, he's a small LHW it'd be rétarded of him to move up... Canelo boiled himself down for years and just moved up to a more natural weight.

You don’t weight bully 5 weight classes. If Bivol is a small heavy how small is Canelo who jumped 5 weight classes? All of Canelos opponents are 5 inches shorter than everyone. Canelo unified a division. He beat every champion.

[SteelFist01]

He should do what Canelo did and fight Andy Ruiz. At least the PbC guys move up in weight. These guys However, stay in 1 weight class and build their career fighting small good guys coming like ggg did. Gggs best wins were Kell Brook and Danny Jacobs who also moved up in weight, and they still struggle. The Ukrainian brothers Are built different. Usyk and Loma, they move up and take all challenges. But Bivol, Beterbiev, and Kovalev are trash.
Kovalev dominated a small Ward.

GGG's best 'win' is obviously against Canelo, lol. And when did Canelo fight Andy Ruiz? Obviously a different weight class, and Ruiz would absolutely decimate the ginger, but I digress...

[Slip jab]

Yall haters are slipping. So what if canelo actually wins?? Yall are gonna have to find a way to bash bivol if canelo wins. So better get on it. How would you hate. Y’all were calling him a bum at one time