Is JMM the most horribly mismanaged high profile boxer ever?

[Glamour Puss]

This also applies to Rafa to a certain degree, but does it seem like nobodies been looking out for this guys best interest in his career?

Arum obviously had it out for him when he promoted him, then the Chris John fiasco, turning down the immediate Pac rematch (whoever told him to do that was a moron), taking Floyd as a kamikaze mission (thank you mangler), nobody to say no to Floyd when he didnt make weight.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that JMM is too damn good to have to put up with this, but thats the job of his advisers and managers to look out for him but they clearly drop the ball over and over.

This Jaime Quintana and Nacho Beristain team is clearly not working for him.

I mean for a first ballot HOFamer, ATG Mexican fighter, he seems like he's always making some sort of moronic and disproportionate concession.

I'd expect this for Ponce DeLeon but not for the Marquez Bros.

The way his career has been mishandled is the equivalent of plucking the wings off a majestic eagle and then blowing it up with dynamite.

[-GR -]

The Floyd fight was the best thing that ever happened to him. More people know who he is now than after the Pac rematch. Plus he's going to get another big fight maybe with Hatton. His only error was the John fight over Pac

[DC Fight Fan]

Let's keep in mind that even though JMM turned pro in 1993, he fought in relative obscurity until he fought Freddie Norwood in 1999. The loss to Norwood set him back in his career and he took him until 2003 to get back to boxing limelight with his win over Smoke Gainer. After fighting to a draw with a non-mainstream Manny Pacquiao in 2004 he took unknown mandatories to hold onto belts. Belts made him money at this time, not his name. Then came the biggest mistake in his life and that was going to freakin Indonesia to fight Chris John in his backyard in 2006. But after the John fight and the two suspects he fought to build back from the John loss he has fought in order:

Barrera
Juarez
Pacquiao
Cassamayor
Diaz
Mayweather

He has gone 4-2 in those fights with the loss to Pacquiao in question in a lot of peoples minds. I would say not to shabby. He has improved physically and skill set wise as his career has gone on. Thus his notiriety has grown. The loss to Mayweather was a smart business decision. It got his name out there even more.

[Pullcounter]

This also applies to Rafa to a certain degree, but does it seem like nobodies been looking out for this guys best interest in his career?

nope... both have made ****** career moves

Arum obviously had it out for him when he promoted him,

arum ain't ******... he knows mexicans love brawlers not boxers... so he went w/ morales... arum didn't have it out for jmm... it was all business

then the Chris John fiasco, turning down the immediate Pac rematch (whoever told him to do that was a moron),

that's was jmm's own damn fault, not arums or anybody else's.

taking Floyd as a kamikaze mission (thank you mangler), nobody to say no to Floyd when he didnt make weight.

cause too much money had been thrown into the promotion.... atleast nacho should've said it is wrong and tried to protect his boxer.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that JMM is too damn good to have to put up with this, but thats the job of his advisers and managers to look out for him but they clearly drop the ball over and over.

TR ignored JMM... GBP throws JMM to the wolves.... they should've told his ass to stay at LW.

This Jaime Quintana and Nacho Beristain team is clearly not working for him.

these mutha***ers are ******

I mean for a first ballot HOFamer, ATG Mexican fighter, he seems like he's always making some sort of moronic and disproportionate concession.

yep.... jmm got greedy and he's chasing pac like moby ****. at some point jmm should just give it up... he can't chase pac anymore, pac is in another stratosphere.

I'd expect this for Ponce DeLeon but not for the Marquez Bros.

mexican hardheadedness I guess

The way his career has been mishandled is the equivalent of plucking the wings off a majestic eagle and then blowing it up with dynamite.

its been pretty bad

The Floyd fight was the best thing that ever happened to him.

hells no... jmm was embarassed... the only thing that redeems him is that it was 2 divisions above LW and floyd cheated by not making weight.

More people know who he is now than after the Pac rematch.

yeah, but not their opinion of him is lower than before.

Plus he's going to get another big fight maybe with Hatton.

he could've gotten hatton without getting his ass whooped.

His only error was the John fight over Pac

hell nah.... he should've never went after floyd. that was ******.

[Glamour Puss]

Let's keep in mind that even though JMM turned pro in 1993, he fought in relative obscurity until he fought Freddie Norwood in 1999. The loss to Norwood set him back in his career and he took him until 2003 to get back to boxing limelight with his win over Smoke Gainer. After fighting to a draw with a non-mainstream Manny Pacquiao in 2004 he took unknown mandatories to hold onto belts. Belts made him money at this time, not his name. Then came the biggest mistake in his life and that was going to freakin Indonesia to fight Chris John in his backyard in 2006. But after the John fight and the two suspects he fought to build back from the John loss he has fought in order:

Barrera
Juarez
Pacquiao
Cassamayor
Diaz
Mayweather

He has gone 4-2 in those fights with the loss to Pacquiao in question in a lot of peoples minds. I would say not to shabby. He has improved physically and skill set wise as his career has gone on. Thus his notiriety has grown. The loss to Mayweather was a smart business decision. It got his name out there even more.

Good stuff. Except for the bold. I'm afraid that what Max was saying at the end of the fight about "emotional impact" is right.

Everyone who is a casual fan who tuned into that fight will just remember a wide non competitive, helpless looking JMM.

It may have helped him financially for the time being, but long term he may be remembered as the helpless little guy sacrificed to ***ing Floyd Mayweather.

[MANGLER]

JMM was outshined by EM and MAB earlier in his career. He blew up wit the Pac fight, but yea, it was a huge blunder to **** on the rematch to fight John. JMM got more aggressive the last few yrs and has been on a tear. Even the Pac loss only raised his stock. But that Mr boat buyer farce was ridiculous. Pac wasn't worth that crazy ****, and now he's gotta lose muscle in his mid 30s to get down to a better weight. JMM has mos def had a lil ******ity in his career mgmt.

[Glamour Puss]

nope... both have made ****** career moves


arum ain't ******... he knows mexicans love brawlers not boxers... so he went w/ morales... arum didn't have it out for jmm... it was all business


that's was jmm's own damn fault, not arums or anybody else's.


cause too much money had been thrown into the promotion.... atleast nacho should've said it is wrong and tried to protect his boxer.


TR ignored JMM... GBP throws JMM to the wolves.... they should've told his ass to stay at LW.


these mutha***ers are ******


yep.... jmm got greedy and he's chasing pac like moby ****. at some point jmm should just give it up... he can't chase pac anymore, pac is in another stratosphere.

mexican hardheadedness I guess

its been pretty bad


hells no... jmm was embarassed... the only thing that redeems him is that it was 2 divisions above LW and floyd cheated by not making weight.


yeah, but not their opinion of him is lower than before.


he could've gotten hatton without getting his ass whooped.


hell nah.... he should've never went after floyd. that was ******.

5 star post.

You're right about Arum's knowledge of his market, but towards the end of that relationship, there was a genuine animosity between the Marquez camp and Arum.

[DC Fight Fan]

Good stuff. Except for the bold. I'm afraid that what Max was saying at the end of the fight about "emotional impact" is right.

Everyone who is a casual fan who tuned into that fight will just remember a wide non competitive, helpless looking JMM.

It may have helped him financially for the time being, but long term he may be remembered as the helpless little guy sacrificed to ***ing Floyd Mayweather.

Agree to disagree I guess. The money was good against Mayweather. The exposure was good. And a fight for 135 lb against Katsidis is sure to be a crowd pleaser. Sure it will be a free HBO fight but he could still make a million from it and I believe he KO's Katsidis and earns even more fans. At 36 y/o his window is closing. A Katsidis fight, a Hatton fight and maybe a Khan fight and the window may close so he better make the money while he can.

[Glamour Puss]

Agree to disagree I guess. The money was good against Mayweather. The exposure was good. And a fight for 135 lb against Katsidis is sure to be a crowd pleaser. Sure it will be a free HBO fight but he could still make a million from it and I believe he KO's Katsidis and earns even more fans. At 36 y/o his window is closing. A Katsidis fight, a Hatton fight and maybe a Khan fight and the window may close so he better make the money while he can.

Yeah, 35 is definitely the place for him.

He doesn't look good anywhere near 40 and above.

[Pullcounter]

Agree to disagree I guess. The money was good against Mayweather. The exposure was good. And a fight for 135 lb against Katsidis is sure to be a crowd pleaser. Sure it will be a free HBO fight but he could still make a million from it and I believe he KO's Katsidis and earns even more fans. At 36 y/o his window is closing. A Katsidis fight, a Hatton fight and maybe a Khan fight and the window may close so he better make the money while he can.

hell no... the money and exposure wasn't worth getting his ass embarassed.

jmm got greedy and got shortsighted.

if i'm managing jmm i'm telling him to forget about the pac rubbermatch and focus on winning a belt at 140 lbs... if the rubbermatch happens, it happens, if not, so what... he's still the only mexican to win titles in 4 different divisions.