Comments Thread For: Malik Scott: Andy Ruiz is Not a Tough Fight For a 'Disciplined' Deontay Wilder

[Boro]

This is all true but to be fair he DID get a knockout in the first fight since referee Jack Reese changed the count from 10 to 12. And also in the third fight ref Russell Mora changed it from 10 to 12 again. But I digest. hahahaha (Just thought I'd go ahead and start the verbal wars today-- it's too quiet on here)

Except for the fact he was dropped at 2:23 and fully back on his feet at 2:13 of the round in the first fight based on the PBC broadcast fight continued at 2:01.

As for the 3rd fight they both got multiple questionable "long" counts if you're going based on 10 seconds which isn't the rules FYI.

A perfect example of this is the first knockdown (Wilder) even though he's just receiving a standing 8 count it takes 12 seconds to receive said 8 count and Mora is consistent with this throughout the fight and also averaged 22 seconds before the fight continued for both fighters as well...

And just lol @ "I digest".

[IRONCHINHAGLER]

Kid it's a tough game .I'm around the gym most days and a lot of the guys who have fought many fights slur. Get use to it. Unbelievably some like the name you have there don't .I once spent around half an hour with the great man Marvin Hager and his charming wife and there wasn't a slurred word from him. He said the punchers from Hearns were unbelievable but the hardest he'd been hit was 'that other English boy you have, Tony Sibson' and take a look ..boxrec , the likes of Bennie Briscoe , Monroe etc...
I understand the trauma to the head in a sport where the object is to render your opponent unconscious!

To my point - Hagler NEVER took anywhere near a vicious brutal beatdown like Wilder has twice…hence he was relatively healthy later in life..poor comparison. And poor comparison with MW(160)taking power shots to the head as opposed to taking shots to the head from 260 plus Hws - see Ali/Frazier/Spinks/Holyfield..etc. Lets keep it real Bro.

[juggernaut666]

Hands down Wilder KO's everyone outside Fury but he's already had him out .If he can KO Tyson for six seconds my guess is he could do four seconds more .Wilder makes this division so exciting .Anyone who moans about him and Fury fighting for a forth time can not understand the fight game....period! Wilder is a bigger version of the excitement the 'hitman' Haerns and the excitement he gave us!

Anyone who wants to see Wilder vs Fury fight again before other fights now which makes it a stretch of a 5 year ordeal since 2018 is an idiot which includes you . Tommy Hearns .

[bullydean]

Did you actually watch any of those fights?

Yes and all Wilder did was get dominated until he drops Fury. Then after Fury beat the count he would then beat the brakes off of Wilder for the remainder of the fight.

Fury vs Wilder 2 was a one sided beat down.
Fury vs Wilder 3 was a one sided beat down after the 4th round.
Fury vs Wilder 1 wasn't a beat down but Fury was comfortably outboxing Wilder until the 12th which Fury then dominated.

Wilder only has a punchers chance and in three fights Wilder hasn't been able to finish the job.

You fanboys want to give Wilder unlimited trys until he finally puts Fury down. You already know Fury is the vastly superior fighter. There's no need for a fourth.

This isn't a AJ vs Andy situation where AJ lost badly in the first fight and then dominated Ruiz in the rematch because there's actual questions surrounding those two.

What if Andy took the rematch seriously in the first fight?
What if AJ was sick the first time when he lost?
Can a disciplined Andy beat AJ again?
Is AJ still the same fighter or is he better?
AJ vs Ruiz 3 would eliminate any doubt.

With Fury and Wilder there are no questions.
What if Wilder outboxed Fury?
No. In 3 fights it hasn't happened.
Would being heavier allow Wilder to KO Fury?
No. He still got the crap beat out of him when he was heavier.
Can Wilder beat Fury at his lowest?
No. In the 1st and 3rd fight Fury was at his worst physically and mentally yet Wilder couldn't get the job done.
There is no question who the better fighter is. Wilder factually has a punchers chance and that isn't exciting.

[hhh1200]

I kinda agree with his Twerk Team partner, just keep the fight at arm length. Ruiz is a sucker for rights.

[Good ol' Douglas]

Lmao…”a disciplined focused” Wilder? So freaking hilarious! Scott just about as dilusional and comical as Wilder himself! A 4th fight with Fury? So Wilder can get viciously beat down a 3rd time and end of with severe brain damage? Idiotic statements from a trainer who still cant get Wilder to utilize a jab, fight off his back foot, move his head, or do anything else besides windmill right hands.

When you have not watched any Wilder fights bar the Fury highlights

(1) Wilder utilised his jab and reach when boxing off the backfoot against Stiverne 1 and Arreola, for two examples. He even displayed some head movement, despite how stiff his upper body movement is in general. Also, he knocked Szpilka and Helenius out cold off the backfoot.

(2) Wilder has become more disciplined over time to where he only started "windmilling" after his opponent is already hurt. In some cases, like Ortiz 2, he respected his opponent's power and counterpunching so much that he fought disciplined to the point of inactivity at times waiting for an opening to present itself.

(3) Do you expect Scott not to big up his man? This idea that coaches should not blow any smoke up their fighter's arse is unwise. You have to be a bit deluded to stay at the elite level for years, especially after having to digest the fact you are not the absolute best.

[thack]

Anyone who wants to see Wilder vs Fury fight again before other fights now which makes it a stretch of a 5 year ordeal since 2018 is an idiot which includes you . Tommy Hearns .

Only you are saying this, 'before other fights'? .Again you misread the post . If Wilder beats Ruiz and Tyson beats Chisora and Usyk then there's a possibility they could fight again.Which makes that possibility clear given they have cleared the obstacles and managed to get three fights done , unlike many other fighters that clearly avoid both of these guys for their own reasons! .......I think you have also misplaced the word 'idiot' here as you again have misunderstood .

Only a fool who does not understand the sport would not see that if they both keep winning they are on a collision course yet again and as I've said many times before anyone including Fury is not a 'certain' to beat this man who by Tyson's own admission is dangerous for his health.

[KnickTillDeaTh]

Except for the fact he was dropped at 2:23 and fully back on his feet at 2:13 of the round in the first fight based on the PBC broadcast fight continued at 2:01.

As for the 3rd fight they both got multiple questionable "long" counts if you're going based on 10 seconds which isn't the rules FYI.

A perfect example of this is the first knockdown (Wilder) even though he's just receiving a standing 8 count it takes 12 seconds to receive said 8 count and Mora is consistent with this throughout the fight and also averaged 22 seconds before the fight continued for both fighters as well...

And just lol @ "I digest".

Just a small but important correction. Wilder never received a standing 8 count. A standing 8 count is when a boxer is out on his feet or getting badly pummeled, the ref steps in and begins an 8 count, effectively ruling a knockdown, without there actually being a knockdown - which is no longer legal in boxing. Counting to 8 after a fighter is knocked down then gets back up is just standard procedure. It is not a standing 8 count.

[thack]

To my point - Hagler NEVER took anywhere near a vicious brutal beatdown like Wilder has twice…hence he was relatively healthy later in life..poor comparison. And poor comparison with MW(160)taking power shots to the head as opposed to taking shots to the head from 260 plus Hws - see Ali/Frazier/Spinks/Holyfield..etc. Let's nd to a point you are correct.keep it real Bro.

And to a point you are right as Marvin had with his 'Ironchin' a very underrated defence . But when your'e fighting the best fighters out of Philadelphia and fighters like Mugarbi , who was 25-0 with 25 KO's , and okay if you want to make this a heavyweight discussion there are fighters like Tex Cobb who completely fought with his face taking a beating from Larry Holmes that few had ever seen and not a slur from his mouth . Marvin had nearly seventy fights and especially in his early years loved a good tear up and never backed down , Holmes himself at heavy is still intact after many championship defences. Wilder only took real punishment in the last two fights , aside from the round where Ortiz nearly stopped him , no one had punished Wilder.Good discussing with you Bro.

[thack]

Yes and all Wilder did was get dominated until he drops Fury. Then after Fury beat the count he would then beat the brakes off of Wilder for the remainder of the fight.

Fury vs Wilder 2 was a one sided beat down.
Fury vs Wilder 3 was a one sided beat down after the 4th round.
Fury vs Wilder 1 wasn't a beat down but Fury was comfortably outboxing Wilder until the 12th which Fury then dominated.

Wilder only has a punchers chance and in three fights Wilder hasn't been able to finish the job.

You fanboys want to give Wilder unlimited trys until he finally puts Fury down. You already know Fury is the vastly superior fighter. There's no need for a fourth.

This isn't a AJ vs Andy situation where AJ lost badly in the first fight and then dominated Ruiz in the rematch because there's actual questions surrounding those two.

What if Andy took the rematch seriously in the first fight?
What if AJ was sick the first time when he lost?
Can a disciplined Andy beat AJ again?
Is AJ still the same fighter or is he better?
AJ vs Ruiz 3 would eliminate any doubt.

With Fury and Wilder there are no questions.
What if Wilder outboxed Fury?
No. In 3 fights it hasn't happened.
Would being heavier allow Wilder to KO Fury?
No. He still got the crap beat out of him when he was heavier.
Can Wilder beat Fury at his lowest?
No. In the 1st and 3rd fight Fury was at his worst physically and mentally yet Wilder couldn't get the job done.
There is no question who the better fighter is. Wilder factually has a punchers chance and that isn't exciting.

Sorry I wasn't even going to reply but 'factually Wilder has a punchers chance and that isn't exciting' .....well.
I am certainly not a Wilder 'fanboy' as you suggest . I am a realist who see's that Wilder is one of the few that could topple Fury as he nearly has . I see Fury as head and shoulders above the pack with only Wilder with a chance . don't care for Wilder as a person (so no 'fanboy' here!) but anyone who doesn't see the excitement he brings every time he's in there , doesn't see much.
'Fury V Wilder 3 was a one sided beat down after the 4th round' so for a third of the fight it wasn't ! , Tyson down twice in r4 and looking really hurt and only his 'super human powers of recovery doing the job. Fight 1 .... Fury KO'd..... out for around five seconds ( where most ref's would have stopped it) only to resurrect himself in a humanly impossible way .There's still milage there and 'excitement' of the prospect of a forth fight should they continue their assault on the division.
If ' AJ' was sick in the first fight I'm sure you would have heard from loudmouth Hearn by now. If's and buts and yes a third fight would be good if Ruiz can stay focused and in an 'exciting' fight , a edge of the seat thriller where they both hit the deck ....then ,why not a forth one? !