Why Mayweather Vs Pacquiao would be different to Mayweather Vs Marquez

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  • araindon
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    Why Mayweather Vs Pacquiao would be different to Mayweather Vs Marquez

    Before I start, I am no way saying that this fight is a sure thing, firstly Pacquiao has a seriously tough fight with Cotto to get out of the way, but I can't help but notice so many people saying Floyd will KO and walk all over Pacquiao and defeat him worse than he did Marquez. I beg to differ.

    Now I actually think Mayweather will beat Pacquiao if they ever fight, I think it'd be a close competitive UD for May, so this is no way a diss to Mayweather, but more an explanation as to why it'll be much tougher to fight Pacquiao than Marquez.

    Firstly, Marquez is too small to be a welterweight. Loads of Floyd fans are talking about how Floyd started at Super featherweight and was a featherweight in the amateurs, but the difference is he GREW into a legit Welterweight. He struggled to make weight in his last 3 Super Featherweight fights and openly said he didn't eat for 3 days in his last WBC title defence at Super Featherweight (can't remember who it was against). He then became a lightweight in his early 20s, got too big to be a lightweight moved up again and as it shows, he can't come back down to 144 so is a Welterweight...period! Marquez was a featherweight his whole life, he only moved up to Super Featherweight because Barrera and Morales moved up and he wanted to fight them. He then moved upto Lightweight chasing Pacquiao and looked small to be a lightweight even. He was never in trouble making weight at Superfeather or Feather...not like Mayweather, and at Welterweight had way too much muscle and fat to do anything to harm Floyd.

    Pacquiao on the other hand...has grown into a light welterweight (albeit a small one) naturally. He has risen up from flyweight to light welterweight properly, he's filled out as he's gotten older and although he looks a bit small to be a Welterweight, he's cool to be a light welterweight. He hasn't lost speed because of this natural progression in weight, hasn't lost durability and has gained power....like Floyd has.

    Secondly, speed. Marquez was slow, Pacquiao has quicker handspeed than Mayweather WHEN throwing combinations in my opinion. Shot for shot Mayweather has quicker hands, but combinations Pacquiao throws quicker. His footwork is awesome so he'll be going in and out, down to the side and generally be harder to hit than Marquez. Marquez response to Floyds punches was slow and he would throw back slowly, but Pacquiao won't be that slow.

    Thirdly, punching power. Pacquiao has more punching power than Marquez and has the ability to hurt Floyd whereas against Marquez, Floyd was grinning at ever shot landed. Take round 2 for example, Marquez landed a left to this side of Floyds head I think, Floyd smiled and proceeded to left hook him to the canvas. With Pacquiao when a straight left hand lands like that, Floyd will feel it and COULD end up brawling. He won't be grinning and come back to KD Pacquiao...well at least I think he won't! Pacquiao can hurt Floyd, Marquez couldn't. So the fact Pacquiao is a little bigger, much quicker and much stronger already gives him a better chance than Marquez did.

    Fourthly, Mayweather looks like he has a slight difficulty with southpaws. The first 4-5 rounds with Judah, Super Zab landed some nice crisp left hands. Pacquiao is as fast and punches just as hard, he might be difficult for Floyd to figure out early on..and UNLIKE Zab, he'll fight consistently down the stretch and not throw it away like Judah would.

    Fifthly, Freddie Roach. He trained the fighter who came closest to beating Floyd in Oscar and yeah maybe that fight should not have been scored that close but De La Hoya was pretty effective against Mayweather early and Freddie has the tendency to pull out great game plans.

    Finally (sorry to go on) Vegas love fighters who go forward. If this fight goes to the scorecards and it's evenly contested...don't bet against a Pacquiao win....just ask Marquez, he knows what it feels like to fight Pacquiao in Vegas, argueably outbox him and then get on the wrong end of a split decision. Pacquiao coming forward and Mayweather being defensive could swing it his way.

    Like I said, Pacquiao still has a massive task against Cotto and I still reckon Mayweather UD's Pacquiao in a closely contested fight but this is why I reckon Pacquiao Vs Mayweather is a lot closer and cannot be compared to Mayweather Vs Marquez.
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    I only partially agree with the 4th point. Yes, Floyd has trouble with southpaws but he always ends up adjusting and defeating them.

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    • araindon
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      #3
      Originally posted by HumphreyBogart
      I only partially agree with the 4th point. Yes, Floyd has trouble with southpaws but he always ends up adjusting and defeating them.
      Yeah that could be true, but we have seen him have problems with southpaws before. It could be that none of these points make a difference and Mayweather KTFO of Manny in 1 round lol, but I guess I just think it might make it a bit closer.

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        We have to keep in mind that Floyd has faced a fighter SOMEWHAT resembling Pac, that fighter is Zab Judah. Very fast hands with power and a southpaw. Pacquiao on the other hand, hasn't faced someone like Mayweather. No one in his resume comes close. Pac hasn't been controlled on the inside or fought someone that can match his hand-speed.

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        • big_james10
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          #5
          When I opened this post, it should have been blank, since there would be no difference between a Pac fight and a Marquez fight, with the possible exception of the fact that Pac would get KO'd.

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          • araindon
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            #6
            Originally posted by HumphreyBogart
            We have to keep in mind that Floyd has faced a fighter SOMEWHAT resembling Pac, that fighter is Zab Judah. Very fast hands with power and a southpaw. Pacquiao on the other hand, hasn't faced someone like Mayweather. No one in his resume comes close. Pac hasn't been controlled on the inside or fought someone that can match his hand-speed.
            This is true, I wanna see how close Pacquiao can make this fight though. Think it'll be damn interesting.

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            • araindon
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              #7
              Originally posted by big_james10
              When I opened this post, it should have been blank, since there would be no difference between a Pac fight and a Marquez fight, with the possible exception of the fact that Pac would get KO'd.
              Erm, I disagree. Marquez and Pacquiao are completely different fighters with different styles. How would the fight pan out the same way?

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              • talip bin osman
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                MP has a massive task in front of him by the name of miguel cotto...

                its a kind of fight that will probably take a lot from a fighter who started as a flyweight fighting a younger, stronger natural welterweight...

                im afraid that if ever MP gets by cotto, by the time he gets to PBF, he has been a spent force...

                u know what i mean?

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                • araindon
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                  #9
                  Ha ha, true this...styles make fights after all.

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                  • AssasinKing
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                    #10
                    Nice post man, good points, and i agree with virtually all of them...

                    I would love to see this fight, but then i wish mayweather would fight a legit WW, but as mang said, pac beating cotto would prove he can fight at WW....although he still wouldnt BE a legit WW, hes good enough 2 compete...

                    Plus i think pac would give floyd the hardest fight of his life, constant punches being thrown, floyd does have cat like reflexes but pac is a true warrior, even after being hit he would carry on throwing combination....

                    Floyd will be forced into a fight....And i think pac is probably the only fighter who could do that to floyd - Get him into a fight

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