Are heavyweights at a disadvantage in regards to P4P rankings?

**LEFTYGUNZZ** · 09-22-2009, 12:32 PM

Originally posted by Counterpunch

I don't know how exactly, just seems that way. Like you say... if you put Pacquiao in a machine that expanded him into a 6'4 heavyweight with the same physique that he has now just in bigger proportions he would scare the piss out of people before he even got in the ring... but if you said, shrink Wladimir Klitschko for example down to welterweight... then he'd just be weaker and the techniques that he can use again slow heavys like leaning on them and all wouldn't work so well against fighters who dont stall and hold alot on the inside...

It's like you always envision if a little guy was the size of a heavyweight he'd be the greatest of all time, but I never find myself sitting there like... if John Ruiz was the size of a light welterweight he'd have a great fight with Hatton...

Any thoughts?

I would put a guy like Ali at any weight WW MW with his skill set and technic and he would be devastating. A fighter like Tyson with his power and speed foot work and aggression. It is just a bad analogy when you take Klitty and use him because his advantage is that he is soo much bigger than most HW's so when you move dow to a division where there are caps on weight the size difference can only be soo much. There are exceptions like Paul Williams fighting at WW but guys like that come around only so often you know. Also in the lower weight classes the jab is more of a weapon and they throw more punches so to compare a guy like Ruiz who grapples and tries to fight on the inside by holding and hitting is also a bad example. Now if you said a guy like Joe Frazier or Larry Holmes even Lennox Lewis and Evander Holyfield. At a ttime they could have been atop the P4P charts. They were all HW's.....Lefty

**W1LL** · 09-22-2009, 12:34 PM

Yea but I was talking about current, active boxer P4P ratings... lol.

**mrboxer** · 09-22-2009, 12:46 PM

pac is skinny,he is a lean thin fighter,like bruce lee,if these two guys were to fight a heavyweight at the same time they would be annilated,eg

ac and lee vs andre the giant,andre would grab them by their throats and throw them right head first through the cement wall leading out to the parking lot,

**The_Visitation** · 09-22-2009, 12:59 PM

HWs are at a disadvantage simply because they can't cross divisions. That isn't necessary for P4P; it has nothing to do with success across multiple divisions, but it makes P4P greatness a heck of a lot easier as it opens up the number of quality opponents.

Academic at the moment, anyway. Only the Klitschkos have top ten P4P potential, but the quality of opponent is just too poor to prove it.

**Pullcounter** · 09-22-2009, 01:12 PM

Originally posted by Counterpunch

I don't know how exactly, just seems that way. Like you say... if you put Pacquiao in a machine that expanded him into a 6'4 heavyweight with the same physique that he has now just in bigger proportions he would scare the piss out of people before he even got in the ring... but if you said, shrink Wladimir Klitschko for example down to welterweight... then he'd just be weaker and the techniques that he can use again slow heavys like leaning on them and all wouldn't work so well against fighters who dont stall and hold alot on the inside...

It's like you always envision if a little guy was the size of a heavyweight he'd be the greatest of all time, but I never find myself sitting there like... if John Ruiz was the size of a light welterweight he'd have a great fight with Hatton...

Any thoughts?

HWs can't be p4p... and when they were, it was because they were exceptional

**Sin City** · 09-22-2009, 01:18 PM

heavyweights dont get ranked P4P because they are the biggest and the best.
Wladimir Klitschko IS the BEST fighter out there today.. why? because nobody else could beat him in any weight class unless another heavyweight comes and dethrones him.
P4P rankings are hypothetical match ups if the guys in the smaller divisions were to fight each other being the same size. It gives the little guys more recognition I would say.

**mrboxer** · 09-22-2009, 01:24 PM

i disagree wlad has a glass jaw there will be a heavy weight to beat him again,and also if there is a light heavy who is good and has the ability to put on twenty pounds and carry the weight well ala jones jr[defeated ruiz]then a light heavy has a chance to beat a heavy

Are heavyweights at a disadvantage in regards to P4P rankings?