Why Couldn't Floyd Mayweather Jr Ever Become Undisputed?

[VG_Addict]

Because he didn't need to?

Everyone knew Floyd was the man in every weight class he fought in.

"Floyd never became lineal champion"? What are you talking about? He became lineal champion at 130, 135, and 147 by beating Corrales, Castillo, and Baldomir.

[elfag]

Theres 4-5 belts per division and he fought in 5 divisions.


People complain he didnt unify but look at canelo when he unified everyone just complained that all the belt holders ******. Floyd's resume is stacked and one of the best ever, ok if he beat some of the minor belt holders people would just complain that they were no good.

Like when he was going to fight zab and zab lost to baldomir so floyd fought and beat both. People complained that baldomir wasnt good, ok he was the lineal champ though. If floyd DIDNT fight him, people would be making threads "why couldnt floyd become linear at welter"


Floyd at one point in like 2009 gave a list of 5 names he wanted to fight. It was Cotto, Pac, Mosley, some others. And then everyone said no way floyd will fight any of them. Then when he went down the list and fought every single one of them people just complained they were too old.

[War Room]

It is widely known that in order to be considered a real champion in this century, one must win every belt in their division or become lineal champion. Neither of which Floyd ever accomplished.

Even Canelo Alvarez, whom Floyd scored a majority decision over in Floyd's home town of Las Vegas when Canelo was still a novice, was able to unify a division and become a true world champion bound for Canasota.

A century is a long time and trends change rather quickly. Not that long ago you could have been posting about how valuable high title defense are. Today, nobody really cares about it. I think unifying is a great bonus, but the history books won't care if you did it or not. Haney did it, who cares? He hasn't fought anybody and nobody is on that hype train. Canelo did it, but he cherry picked his way doing so in a historically dead division. Nobody realy cares about him beating fledgling Fielding, Smith, Saunders, or Plant to do it. History will remember them as weaklings and Canelo will be remembered for cherry-picking and cheating.

I think it's more impressive to win belts in several divisions. It's standard operating procedure. Having big names on your record without *'s next to names, history remembers that.

Will the history books even show Floyd as a champion? Or will they show him as a failed Olympian who ducked the best fighters of his divisions and had the WBC in his pocket but could never unify a division despite the fact that for several years every fighter within three weight classes were waiting in line for a fight with Floyd, including all of the belt holders and lineal champions in the divisions Floyd was pilfering.

The only fighter Floyd really ducked was Williams. I hope this doesn't turn into a Oh he ducked Margarito type of affair, it's well overdone. Other than that, I don't see anybody Floyd ducked. He went after everybody.

[djtmal]

Floyd at one point in like 2009 gave a list of 5 names he wanted to fight. It was Cotto, Pac, Mosley, some others. And then everyone said no way floyd will fight any of them. Then when he went down the list and fought every single one of them people just complained they were too old.

Thats not a complaint they were too old, that is the truth.

Floyd did things on his own timetable and by the time he made the fights that mattered, he could only get half the credit for fighting and beating them.

[djtmal]

Two reasons, once he became a big star he only wanted to fight faded stars or upcoming stars not the prime ones. Some of the champions when he was on top wouldn’t agree to his 80/20 splits which was Floyd’s way to not fight them.

I agree.....

[GhostofDempsey]

Floyd separated ties with promoters who wanted him to fight legit prime opponents at their best. Manny did the opposite, he left promoters so he could get better fights with better opponents. Under the Haymon Protection Plan, Floyd could write his own ticket. Find big names on their way up or on their way down. Price himself out, or drop a dozen excuses why an opponent wasn't deserving of a fight. Clout chase using other fighter's names for all those years while fighting someone else. Throughout his career he avoided Casamayor, Freitas, Johnston, Mosely at 135, Tszyu, Williams, Margarito, prime Manny and Cotto, Khan, Brook, Bradley and Martinez. He likely would have beaten half of them, but he chose safer opponents. He basically admitted he "marinated" the Pacquiao fight for 5 years and deserved credit for being smart because he was building it up to be a bigger fight. He got at least 3 gifts in his career against Castillo I, Oscar and Maidana I, Manny should have been a draw. Floyd approached boxing as a business, and even people close to him said he was terrified of losing. His career path and fighting style all but proves that notion.

He will always be suspect regarding PED use, especially after the illegal IV and prior rumors of sealed documents alleging injections of his hands. This was why he partnered with USADA to begin with, it was the perfect foil. Claim you want to clean up boxing while paying off the agency that is testing your opponents while giving you a pass.

[The Devil Knows Boxing]

Because he didn't need to?

Everyone knew Floyd was the man in every weight class he fought in.

"Floyd never became lineal champion"? What are you talking about? He became lineal champion at 130, 135, and 147 by beating Corrales, Castillo, and Baldomir.

Definition of hype. This is why Canelo took the abuse for fighting the 168 guys, because legacy matters. Everyone knew Canelo was "the man" in the Bivol fight too... But non-boxers know nothing. Y'all think this is Basketball.

Chico was NOT lineal. Castillo beat Floyd and also was not lineal. Baldomir was not lineal lol come on.

There will never be a question of why Canelo could never be undisputed.

And "Money" Mayweather is broke, living on credit and borrowed time. So for all those who say Money was the focus, you're admitting that his career was a flash in the pan and that his legacy doesn't matter. So don't be so upset when it's constantly pointed out that he has no gold medal and no undisputed championship in his career and that his fake 50-0 record that includes two blatant hometown decisions still did not match Rocky Marciano's 54-0 record he earned with the extra 5 professional fights he had under aliases while still an amateur, one of which was the blatantly obvious Rocky Mack.

[The Devil Knows Boxing]

Floyd separated ties with promoters who wanted him to fight legit prime opponents at their best. Manny did the opposite, he left promoters so he could get better fights with better opponents. Under the Haymon Protection Plan, Floyd could write his own ticket. Find big names on their way up or on their way down. Price himself out, or drop a dozen excuses why an opponent wasn't deserving of a fight. Clout chase using other fighter's names for all those years while fighting someone else. Throughout his career he avoided Casamayor, Freitas, Johnston, Mosely at 135, Tszyu, Williams, Margarito, prime Manny and Cotto, Khan, Brook, Bradley and Martinez. He likely would have beaten half of them, but he chose safer opponents. He basically admitted he "marinated" the Pacquiao fight for 5 years and deserved credit for being smart because he was building it up to be a bigger fight. He got at least 3 gifts in his career against Castillo I, Oscar and Maidana I, Manny should have been a draw. Floyd approached boxing as a business, and even people close to him said he was terrified of losing. His career path and fighting style all but proves that notion.

He will always be suspect regarding PED use, especially after the illegal IV and prior rumors of sealed documents alleging injections of his hands. This was why he partnered with USADA to begin with, it was the perfect foil. Claim you want to clean up boxing while paying off the agency that is testing your opponents while giving you a pass.

Is there a function on Boxingscene to have this comment engraved in stone and made into its own thread and pinned to the top and added to the Boxingscene TOS that everyone must read and agree to before they can view the forums? Anyone have Rick Reenos number? I need to get this over to him right away.

[VG_Addict]

Definition of hype. This is why Canelo took the abuse for fighting the 168 guys, because legacy matters. Everyone knew Canelo was "the man" in the Bivol fight too... But non-boxers know nothing. Y'all think this is Basketball.

Chico was NOT lineal. Castillo beat Floyd and also was not lineal. Baldomir was not lineal lol come on.

There will never be a question of why Canelo could never be undisputed.

And "Money" Mayweather is broke, living on credit and borrowed time. So for all those who say Money was the focus, you're admitting that his career was a flash in the pan and that his legacy doesn't matter. So don't be so upset when it's constantly pointed out that he has no gold medal and no undisputed championship in his career and that his fake 50-0 record that includes two blatant hometown decisions still did not match Rocky Marciano's 54-0 record he earned with the extra 5 professional fights he had under aliases while still an amateur, one of which was the blatantly obvious Rocky Mack.

"His legacy doesn't matter"? He's a Hall of Famer. He has wins over Canelo, Pacquiao, Corrales, Judah, Hatton, Cotto, Marquez, Mosley, De La Hoya, and Gatti. Floyd's legacy has already been established.

[elfag]

Thats not a complaint they were too old, that is the truth.

Floyd did things on his own timetable and by the time he made the fights that mattered, he could only get half the credit for fighting and beating them.

Floyd was older than Pac and Cotto but floyd got accused of "waiting until they got old" lmao


Mosley also turned down a fight with floyd years earlier because he "had to go to the dentist"

Arums excuses for not making the Floyd-Pac fight in 2009 was that "an entire new stadium needs to be built" and 5 years later they just fought in the same MGM grand.