Can we all agree that the weight mentally had an impact on JMM?

[Warbeast]

nah.. if he lost by a ko, i wouldve believed so.

but he lost to superior skill & planning.

[MJ406]

[QUOTE=mangler;6150883]It obviously mattered physically. But mentally? How? Fight was a disgrace, but that said, JMM chose to move up and never complained.[QUOTE]


yeah JMM only complained post fight about the weight, and that he'd have liked to have more fights above 140

a valid complaint, but a fair one, as JMM had no prior fight +140 experience

[fallenloki]

[QUOTE=MJ406;6151425]

It obviously mattered physically. But mentally? How? Fight was a disgrace, but that said, JMM chose to move up and never complained./QUOTE]


yeah JMM only complained post fight about the weight, and that he'd have liked to have more fights above 140

a valid complaint, but a fair one, as JMM had no prior fight +140 experience

He agreed to the fight at 144/7 or whatever. Don't make excuses for him. All he said was that if he had more experience at the weight that he'd have a better outing.

[JakeNDaBox]

What could Marquez have done? Floyd and his team knew the day before he wasnt going to make weight and that he wasnt going to dry out anymore to lose the two pounds he was over. It was either fight or cancel the fight. You think a guy who has trained for 4+ months is going to cancel the biggest fight of his career let alone his biggest payday? Floyd left him in a bad spot and Marquez did what a warrior does and that is suck it up and go fight.

Floyd knew all along that he wasn't making 144, but waited until the last possible minute to spring the news onto Marquez/Golden Boy.

Marquez could've simply said no, make him suffer the embarrassment of showing up over the limit, then demanding he spend the next two hours trying to sweat it off. If Floyd failed to do so, then he would've had to pay a 10% fine to the NSAC (half of which goes to Marquez).

At that point, Marquez could've accepted the pay hike and say, "OK I'll go through with the fight."

Had he done that, then:
Best case scenario - Floyd legitimately tries to lose the weight in those two hours, thus is that much weaker if only for a night. (although Floyd still more than likely wins the fight with room to spare)
Worst case scenario - Marquez still gets paid more than he originally signs on for, and still looks like the good guy for going through with the fight.

If Golden Boy actually gave a **** about Marquez rather than willingly sacrafice him for the sake of doing future business with Floyd, then it never would've come to Marquez' hand being forced.

Instead, they basically settled for $100,000 more in Marquez' pocket for the sake of saving Floyd $400,000 in helping him avoid paying a $1 million fine to the NSAC.

The only entity who put Marquez in that predicament was his promoter. Sure, Floyd is also to blame for never attempting to get that low, but it's not Floyd's job to look out for his opponent's best interests. Marquez put his faith in his promoter's hand and in the end basically sold out for an extra $600k.

[Pullcounter]

nah.. if he lost by a ko, i wouldve believed so.

but he lost to superior skill & planning.

also he lost cause he is too small and floyd stacked the deck against him