The New, Older, Slower Canelo?

[PRINCEKOOL]

That could be true. But I imagine that Golovkin will be hitting harder than he's hit for a long time. He's not so drained anymore but not too big either. I think we'll see a better Golovkin than we saw in the Murata fight.

I think it is highly likely we are going to see a better Golovkin from his last fight.

But? Is Alvarez going to be better at 168 pounds? Is his stamina going to be better than it was at 175 pounds vs Bivol?

There is a possibility that he could be even worst.

If Alvarez's plan was to rematch Bivol again, I think he should of made this third fight with Golovkin at 175 pounds. Get really set in the weight class, and explore more with his training and preparation.

I have said from the get go, of this fight being announced. That the 168 pound weight limit, and the constant yo yoing up and down in weight for Alvarez could back fire.

Golovkin needs to improve from his last fight, the version of him vs Murata does not beat Alvarez. But we know for a fact that those extra 8 pounds is going to drastically impact his training, he is not going to be the same fighter he was vs Murata 'He is theoretically going to be slightly boasted'.

Is that boast going to be enough? That is what for me, makes the fight intriguing.

8 pounds is a lot of weight to play around with at this level.

[MONGOOSE66]

The last few days, I've been watching some of their old fights. And Golovkin is not the same fighter he was six years ago. That goes without saying. However, what no one is talking about is that Canelo has slowed down. If you look at his last fight with Golovkin, his counters were lighting fast. It was that speed that gave Golovkin problems because he had to time Alvarez for his own lack of speed. Not that he's slow, just not as fast as Canelo. That was one of the biggest issues Golovkin faced.

Now, however, Canelo's counters are no longer lightening fast. He really has slowed down. That speed he had from the lower weights has vanished from his campaigning in the higher weight classes. He's no longer a super welterweight fighting at middleweight. He's now officially a super middleweight. Meanwhile, Golovkin is carrying that speed he had at middleweight, albeit slower. This means that no one is going to have the speed advantage over the other. And if that's the case, this might be a much more competitive fight than anyone is expecting.

Speed enabled Canelo to make it competitive last time. This time, grit will have to make it competitive. Who's willing to endure more punishment? That's who'll win the fight. That's how I see it, and I think Golovkin is more willing to go over the edge. Seeing Canelo come out again in pink pajamas didn't persuade me that he's there to win at all cost.

Thats called being 32 years old. Guys on here are so smart.

[Cypocryphy]

I think it is highly likely we are going to see a better Golovkin from his last fight.

But? Is Alvarez going to be better at 168 pounds? Is his stamina going to be better than it was at 175 pounds vs Bivol?

There is a possibility that he could be even worst.

If Alvarez's plan was to rematch Bivol again, I think he should of made this third fight with Golovkin at 175 pounds. Get really set in the weight class, and explore more with his training and preparation.

I have said from the get go, of this fight being announced. That the 168 pound weight limit, and the constant yo yoing up and down in weight for Alvarez could back fire.

Golovkin needs to improve from his last fight, the version of him vs Murata does not beat Alvarez. But we know for a fact that those extra 8 pounds is going to drastically impact his training, he is not going to be the same fighter he was vs Murata 'He is theoretically going to be slightly boasted'.

Is that boast going to be enough? That is what for me, makes the fight intriguing.

8 pounds is a lot of weight to play around with at this level.

Yeah. So true. I think it can only help him. Making 160 at 40 must be a *****. being nearly 170 now has to be a boost for Golovkin. This fight is definitely intriguing. The closer we've come to the fight, the more people are reevaluating their opinions and rightly so.

[Cypocryphy]

Thats called being 32 years old. Guys on here are so smart.

Well, technically late 20s are the prime years. Once you get past 30, it's downhill. Obviously not for everyone but still. And one of the factors that ages a guy fast is fighting a lot when you're past 30. That run Canelo did, fighting four times a year and three times after that, with all of his fights, that 32 could be more like 36.

I also saw people say that fighting in the amateurs is more wear and tear than fighting in the pros. I think Paulie said that the other day, but I think that's nonsense. The amateurs is all about scoring points with well padded gloves, and for a time, with headgear. In the pros, it's the hurt business, with 8 oz and 10 oz gloves, designed to protect the hands, not the opponent like that amateur gloves are designed to do.

Canelo could very well be a 35/36 year old pro fighter.

[GhostofDempsey]

A 32 year old will always have faster, sharper reflexes than a 40 year old, especially at their level. Golovkin looked sluggish against Murata. He got the job done but took a lot of punches. Canelo hits harder than Murata. This rematch is 3 years too late, I expect Canelo to dominate this time around. GGG doesn’t look hungry, Canelo is coming off a loss and will be motivated and hungry to get a big win. This will likely be GGG’s cash out retirement fight.

[Cypocryphy]

A 32 year old will always have faster, sharper reflexes than a 40 year old, especially at their level. Golovkin looked sluggish against Murata. He got the job done but took a lot of punches. Canelo hits harder than Murata. This rematch is 3 years too late, I expect Canelo to dominate this time around. GGG doesn’t look hungry, Canelo is coming off a loss and will be motivated and hungry to get a big win. This will likely be GGG’s cash out retirement fight.

You think so? Murata is bigger and has a higher KO percentage. Murata has heavy hands. He always has.

[GhostofDempsey]

You think so? Murata is bigger and has a higher KO percentage. Murata has heavy hands. He always has.

He wasn’t knocking out high level competition. Yes he is strong, but knockouts are hard to come by at the top level, you have to have the skill to create those openings and break down opponents. Canelo has cumulative power that breaks down opponents and creates openings, he is a superior counter puncher. He is still in his prime, Golovkin is past his prime.

[SplitSecond]

That could be true. But I imagine that Golovkin will be hitting harder than he's hit for a long time. He's not so drained anymore but not too big either. I think we'll see a better Golovkin than we saw in the Murata fight.

That’s bold. I thought he looked great physically vs Murata. And yes. It is to Golovkins benefit to come in as strong and light as possible without being too small. Canelo’s weakness is famously stamina. If Golovkin can stress that with activity he’ll give him heartache.

Honestly. Golovkin can easily beat Canelo if he just worked on a 1-2. Sharpen that punch up as much as he can, put it on a hair trigger and make throwing it smooth as butter. The guy has all the intelligence to make that work. And he could Ko Canelo with it.