Comments Thread For: Shields On Marshall's Knockouts: She's Knocking Out Smaller Girls With Losing Records

[Boro]

Dude, Shields fought Franchon Crews in her very first professional fight.

Crews is one of the hardest punchers in womens boxing and is the current undisputed champion at 168.

She fought an undefeated Christina Hammer, who was champion for almost 10 years.

That's who you all said would beat her, remember?

Peter Fury knows fxckall about women's boxing that's why he said "neither of them have fought anybody"

Her opponents W-L is 168-16

Marshall's is 97-116

Now, tell me if this was a men's fight, who you think the favorite would be?

The person with 2 gold medals, wayyy tougher opponents, and more accomplishments?

Or the person who's solely favored based on a dubious amateur victory from a decade ago, when the loser was 17?

Every time you're quoting me here you're intentionally neglecting parts of what's being said, it's no longer worth "debating" with you.

[@Mybloodylaptop]

Vegas likes Marshall. But only slightly.

[The D3vil]

Every time you're quoting me here you're intentionally neglecting parts of what's being said, it's no longer worth "debating" with you.

I have no idea what you're talking about, but that's cool

:shrug:

[Boro]

I have no idea what you're talking about, but that's cool

:shrug:

I literally give you examples of male equivalents you completely ignore it, you accept the fact that women's division is as shallow but in the same breath refuse to accept that Claressa's competition is "better" due to her being a medallist.

You're half responding and only accepting things that align with your opinion and talking out of both sides of your mouth hence why I said what I said.

And I've never once Said Hammer would beat shields she's literally garbage juice, no more then a jab... any semi decent woman could beat her.

[The D3vil]

I literally give you examples of male equivalents you completely ignore it, you accept the fact that women's division is as shallow but in the same breath refuse to accept that Claressa's competition is "better" due to her being a medallist.

You're half responding and only accepting things that align with your opinion and talking out of both sides of your mouth hence why I said what I said.

And I've never once Said Hammer would beat shields she's literally garbage juice, no more then a jab... any semi decent woman could beat her.

I never said her competition WASN'T better because she was a medalist.

I said IT DOESN'T MATTER why her competition is better. I said that MULTIPLE TIMES.

IT IS BETTER.

That's what matters.

I agree that her being a medalist helps her fight better competition, just like Loma's been fighting championship fights since his 2nd fight because he's a gold medalist.

Fact is, Loma had to beat just about all of those people.

Sheilds had to beat all of those people.

It's still the harder road.

[WamBamSam23]

Shields is a bum. Everyone wants to talk about her amateur career. Last time I checked this was the pros. Is Loma the mens goat because he’s the greatest amateur ever, and has run through multiple weight classes?

[Boro]

I never said her competition WASN'T better because she was a medalist.

I said IT DOESN'T MATTER why her competition is better. I said that MULTIPLE TIMES.

IT IS BETTER.

That's what matters.

I agree that her being a medalist helps her fight better competition, just like Loma's been fighting championship fights since his 2nd fight because he's a gold medalist.

Fact is, Loma had to beat just about all of those people.

Sheilds had to beat all of those people.

It's still the harder road.

"Harder/better" is subjective to be fair especially given how women get belts in their 2/3rd fight quite commonly, the competition is women's boxing is abysmal especially above 140 both women will be fighting their respective best available opposition to date.

I literally gave you the Khan/Brook example were Brook had in his first 5 opponents something like 452/3 losses and Khan had comparatively much better opposition earlier on but that didn't make a difference to his overall ability and who was ultimately regarded as the better boxer as well as who people thought would win their fight and the same applies in this fight...

It's nothing to do with race, Savannah has some technical ability and REAL power and in their amateur fight she did outbox her and I know plenty of bias people have Shields winning but piling forward landing on forearms and gloves isn't scoring punches and Savannah clinched at the right moment to nullify the little success she did have.


I give little to no credence to belts or medals for female fighters, both Shield's and Marshall could go on to win 10 gold medals and clean out 140-175 and I still wouldn't rate the achievements, the competition is that abysmal maybe fights like taylor serrano fight(s) and this will change that but I very much doubt it.

And it's not because it's females fighting I quite enjoy female MMA but boxing just don't have the depth or the neccessary competition for it to be taken seriously as of yet.

[The D3vil]

"Harder/better" is subjective to be fair especially given how women get belts in their 2/3rd fight quite commonly, the competition is women's boxing is abysmal especially above 140 both women will be fighting their respective best available opposition to date.

I literally gave you the Khan/Brook example were Brook had in his first 5 opponents something like 452/3 losses and Khan had comparatively much better opposition earlier on but that didn't make a difference to his overall ability and who was ultimately regarded as the better boxer as well as who people thought would win their fight and the same applies in this fight...

It's nothing to do with race, Savannah has some technical ability and REAL power and in their amateur fight she did outbox her and I know plenty of bias people have Shields winning but piling forward landing on forearms and gloves isn't scoring punches and Savannah clinched at the right moment to nullify the little success she did have.


I give little to no credence to belts or medals for female fighters, both Shield's and Marshall could go on to win 10 gold medals and clean out 140-175 and I still wouldn't rate the achievements, the competition is that abysmal maybe fights like taylor serrano fight(s) and this will change that but I very much doubt it.

And it's not because it's females fighting I quite enjoy female MMA but boxing just don't have the depth or the neccessary competition for it to be taken seriously as of yet.

Where did I say anything about race?

I said Sheilds was the more successful amateur & pro & is more skilled.and has the better resume.

Khan & Brook aren't adequate comparisons because Khan always had glaring flaws with his chin.

Again, Shields has dominated much tougher competition from day one.

Franchon Crews is far better than anyone Marshall's fought, a harder puncher, and that's who Shields beat in her first fight, ever.

There's a reason she's a 2x gold medalist and Marshall only has a dubious victory against her.

Like I said, if we were talking about men in the same circumstances, a 2x Olympic gold medalist, undisputed in 2 divisions, who's been fighting nothing but championship fights since their first few fights, they'd be the favorite.

I'm not saying Marshall can't win, she's bigger and has a stiff punch and a steely resolve. She's live in there.

But there's no world in which she should be the favorite with her resume in comparison with Shields', ZERO.

[Boro]

Where did I say anything about race?

I said Sheilds was the more successful amateur & pro & is more skilled.and has the better resume.

Khan & Brook aren't adequate comparisons because Khan always had glaring flaws with his chin.

Again, Shields has dominated much tougher competition from day one.

Franchon Crews is far better than anyone Marshall's fought, a harder puncher, and that's who Shields beat in her first fight, ever.

There's a reason she's a 2x gold medalist and Marshall only has a dubious victory against her.

Like I said, if we were talking about men in the same circumstances, a 2x Olympic gold medalist, undisputed in 2 divisions, who's been fighting nothing but championship fights since their first few fights, they'd be the favorite.

I'm not saying Marshall can't win, she's bigger and has a stiff punch and a steely resolve. She's live in there.

But there's no world in which she should be the favorite with her resume in comparison with Shields', ZERO.

It's debatable if she's more skilled, she's still stuck in her amateur style lunging forward with little regard for defence and trying to throw fast and lots of punches hence why I made the Khan comparison not that she squares up as often as Khan and again Khan fought better competition then Brook throughout his career but he'd (Brook) still be favourite regardless.

Yes IF we're talking about men, you're right but we're not talking about men, we're talking about women... and like I said having a medal/belt as a woman and a man are worlds apart, I thought I made my thoughts on female boxing pretty clear in the red part of the previous comment, not that I wouldn't love to see it more competitive like MMA is but sadly we aren't there yet.

As for race "The only reason people are picking Marshall at all is that they don't like Shields." when on this forum it almost always comes down to race, so I just assumed that's what you're implying with the aforementioned comment, if you weren't apologises, but it's generally were conversations end up.

I'd normally choose the boxer but in this case I don't feel shields is as good as certain people are making her out to be and it's not like she hasn't been over already by someone who isn't as much of a noted puncher

And Marshalls has shown marked improvement under Peter whereas the same can't be said of Shields, I'd love to be wrong mind you, it's a more compelling fight with the delay because who do having to rehydrate and dehydrate again have the more dramatic effect on, same can be said of the Baumgardner and Mayer fight.

[The D3vil]

It's debatable if she's more skilled, she's still stuck in her amateur style lunging forward with little regard for defence and trying to throw fast and lots of punches hence why I made the Khan comparison not that she squares up as often as Khan and again Khan fought better competition then Brook throughout his career but he'd (Brook) still be favourite regardless.

Yes IF we're talking about men, you're right but we're not talking about men, we're talking about women... and like I said having a medal/belt as a woman and a man are worlds apart, I thought I made my thoughts on female boxing pretty clear in the red part of the previous comment, not that I wouldn't love to see it more competitive like MMA is but sadly we aren't there yet.

As for race "The only reason people are picking Marshall at all is that they don't like Shields." when on this forum it almost always comes down to race, so I just assumed that's what you're implying with the aforementioned comment, if you weren't apologises, but it's generally were conversations end up.

I'd normally choose the boxer but in this case I don't feel shields is as good as certain people are making her out to be and it's not like she hasn't been over already by someone who isn't as much of a noted puncher

And Marshalls has shown marked improvement under Peter whereas the same can't be said of Shields, I'd love to be wrong mind you, it's a more compelling fight with the delay because who do having to rehydrate and dehydrate again have the more dramatic effect on, same can be said of the Baumgardner and Mayer fight.

So, you don't respect women's boxing?

So, what's your point?

You just said that in every other circumstance you'd take Shields, which was exactly my point in the first place.

Fighters are fighters, regardless of their gender

The same principles that drive mens boxing drives womens boxing, even though we both admit there are less talented women, in general, but still women's boxing is a lot farther along in it's development that you give it credit for.

Shields is the most accomplished boxer with the better resume.

There's no reason why that would make her the underdog in womens' boxing, when you yourself admit that it wouldn't make her the underdog in mens boxing.

I'm not saying Marshall can't win or won't win.

I said, and you JUST admitted that under every other circumstance in which we see this scenario in boxing, the more accomplished boxer would be the favorite.