Arturo Gatti, Second Autopsy Points To a Hanging

[catalinul]

I was as much there as his family who is insisting that he did not.

Again, I will choose to believe the two medical examiners. In bold

It's an opinion.

I will choose not to believe the corrupt brazilians.The canadians haven't said anything final but keep in mind they are working on a months old body.

[The Equaliser]

1 - Equaliser, would you happen to have the link where you got all this info from?
because you sound like you've actually been down in recife and port de galinhas...and this is a lot of very interesting information...unless, of course, your recent post is all from news articles

2 - ..however i ask you again as i put a thought in everyone else's mind...what the hell happened to Moises Teixeira ???? do you know???? can he be found and interviewed to see why he made his initial conclusion?

3 - the paragraph you wrote regarding accomplices…you’re telling us that, in regards to all the actions that Amanda has taken leading up to their trip to Brazil….i think you know what I mean…..
a) the money transfer requests
b) the will changes…
d) and probably there is even more that we may never know…etc….you don’t think that in Arturo’s state of drunkenness mixed with the Brazilian sleep drug, there is no possibility that Amanda could have staged someone to assist with the suicide scenario?
e) Here’s a scenario…Amanda and Arturo swipe to open the door….swipe the magnetic device to turn on the electricity, Amanda either does not close the door behind her fully…or closes it but is aware that upon executing her plan, she will need to give access to the room to someone that does not have the key card…therefore opens the door shortly after her entrance because she is fully aware that her accomplices are just outside of the door….and the rest is history. No fight is needed…Arturo is drunk with a Brazilian sleep drug in his system…he can technically sleep while standing up
f) Also, doesn’t anybody wonder why it’s taken so long to release the toxicology report from the Brazilian side???…. things that make you go HMMM.
g) You also stated that the heads of police and federal officers make in the range of $43k US…..does anybody wonder what Paulo Alberes actually makes??

4 - by the way...the post you made.....is it a translation from an article? is it me or does the English suck?

1 - No and No.

2 - I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about with reference to Moses Teizeira?

3 - a) The money-transfer request was something Pat Lynch came up with back in August, was confident he could get a copy of days later and thus far hasn't said anything further about.
b)The Will-change can easily be explained...you just have to look a little harder.
c) No, I doubt there is no more than 'you may ever know'.
d) Here's a better scenario:
Gatti drunkenly throws his 100lb wife to the ground and KOs a 52-year old man thus provoking an angry mob to pelt him with rocks and stones...he hastily makes a getaway to the apartment in a taxi. Amanda Rodrigues, clears her head immediately and either makes a phonecall to two guys she met earlier or points out two guys and says "Hey - I'm not standing for this **** - come back with me, kill my husband and I'll pay you handsomely....oh, by the way, I don't actually have a f!cuking cent in my pocket, but if I get off in a few weeks, I might have a couple of million - give me your contact details and I'll cut you in"
The three of them get into the 2nd taxi and go back to Ancorar.
Meanwhile, Arturo has gone back to Porto de Galihnas town to look for this 'crazy gold-digging stripper/whore' (I put this in just to appease her critics) but she ain't there. He goes back to Ancorar to find Amanda alone, pays both taxis and they both, with Junior, retreat upstairs...but bear in mind, the two guys are hiding in some bushes so she gives them the signal to 'wait' for an hour and then sneak past hotel reception by the time Gatti can polish off 5 more cans of Skol, one which is laced with Tylenol...by then, they can stage a hanging.
Then they probably sneak back out, past the hotel receptionist (who has probably dropped a pen on the floor and has to bend down out of sight) and out into the night, never to be seen or heard from again.

Phew. That took me 90 seconds to come up with and type. But christ, it sounds good, eh?
So much better and plausible than a troubled ex-boxer, with a troubled marriage desperately trying to be patched-up, who is drunk and has just made some really bad decisions in public causing a night from hell.

e) Do you not think that by not releasing the toxicology test results, even more su****ion would be heaped upon them?

4 - Brazilian Portuguese has many inflections, declensions and conjugations...it can appear fractured if not translated correctly - that's my fault. Apologies.

[Mr. Philadel]

this **** is just too crazy to believe!!!.....Gatti NEVER quitted and for someone to say he killed himself is not easy to ride with!!!

[airplane]

equaliser,

regarding moises tiexiera, if you've been following all the articles regarding this case and and another more recent article written by journel de montreal...you will notice that Moises was the first chief investigator and shortly after, it was Paulo Alberes....then there was a small mention in the journel de montreal stating that, Moises was nowhere to be found for an interview. Apparently the port de galinhas and ipujica (however it's spelled) areas are not large in population....and because the death occurred in such a rural area...one would think that "A" chief of police would be easily found for an interview of such magnitude in these small one-horse towns....therefore his disappearance, I think, might have a significant role in the entire conclusion....but this is something you pleading ignorance to

....about the money transfer request...(my opinion) I don't think Pat Lynch would make that up...and I wouldn't doubt it if there are several implications that have to be dealt with in order to acquire this sort of document.

...you mention about the will change...(I have to look harder????) that is where I can call myself completely and utterly ******(that is, if I am overlooking something). From all the research I’ve been doing, I just can’t understand why Arturo would sign a paper that would change all of his circumstances with a clear mind? Did Amanda hold a gun to his head for him to sign this paper?? Nah I don’t think so……but did she threatened him, whereas if the paper would not have been signed, she would have done whatever she had to do to take Junior away from him…like maybe disappear back to Brazil? Can that be considered a form of holding a gun to someone’s head ….simply in the form of words?
Then he is dead within a month…..PURE coincidence, as you simplistically put it, in one of your previous posts? Come on. Such a short sentence for something that makes everybody wonder…what could have she been scheming???

So you doubt that there is nothing more to this whole story? Well that is an obvious opinion coming from someone who obviously has an ax to grind towards Gatti. I, on the other hand, along with so many others….with or without your stated “man-crush” on Arturo, we’re patiently waiting for the final conclusion from the Canadian side.

About your sarcastically lined “better scenario” – your scenario was set up with the notion that this was planned on a spur of the moment action. My scenario was not, and I failed to mention that….my apologies….eh? (eh = a Canadian thing…LOL) Again, there were too many premeditated actions on Amanda’s behalf that would lead me to believe that, if she indeed use someone else for this, this person / persons would have been staged in the right place, factoring in tolerances of different scenarios that could have occurred.

Lastly, to answer the toxicology not being released at all question. First, who exactly are you referring too? The canadian’s second autopsy leak that is not conclusive? Or the Brazilian’s report? If you are referring to the Brazilian’s, well then, in my opinion, it is common sense, that if they didn’t release it, yeah it would make them more su****ious….from my understanding of the articles I’ve read, they failed to release incomplete reports. The Brazilians close a case and deem it a suicide with the preconceived su****ions of a murder, and they can’t come up with a complete
toxicology / autopsy report? Yeah, it all seems to su****ious….i don’t think I am the only one with that opinion.

By the way, Equaliser, hypothetically speaking, if your brother was murdered in any part of the world, and you are initially told that your sister-in-law killed him, then within a matter of weeks, the whole story gets convoluted, then closed as a suicide, would you not want to get first hand knowledge of how they came to the conclusion, before the public? That way you can see it first-rate why the conclusion was drawn up. And if there are any questions or testimony that might assist in the final conclusion, that would have been the time to do it? Apparently, the Brazilian’s did not give any sort of invitation to the Gatti family, as a simple form of respect, to their final conclusion presentation. (it would have been mentioned if the Gatti’s were there) it was like a bada-bing bada boom, Arturo hung himself and that’s all folks. Amanda’s release / conclusion to suicide was made public on July 30th or somewhere around that time. You would think that the conclusion was drafted at least 5 days prior to the official release….and during this time, maybe, just maybe, Paulo Alberes could have called (I presume with a translator) the Gatti family and invited someone down to Brazil to hear the final conclusion from the horses mouth….not the press…..then to top it off….the infamous video of Amanda coming out as a superstar is released……which of course, her answer, which is probably very logical to you, equalizer, was that she was happy because she was going to see her son, and her sister and her family. Like she stated or somewhere I read, anybody that would be imprisoned for 18 days would be ecstatic to come out. The perception that she displays of no remorse is a hard one to swallow…..but I’m sure you’ll have a witty comeback for that.


Question, do you have any doubts that Amanda was a stripper? I can only imagine your opinion on this.

Her rebuttal is that she was never a stripper and they never met at a strip bar, despite a person going on record with the details….about her stint at the Squeeze lounge in New Jersey…..most people tend to respect those with BALLS to make such a statement, nevertheless, on record…..not those that hide behind the leaked story from the Canadian coroners office.
And could you believe that Amanda's mother put out an article stating that nooooo way in hell her daughter was ever a “GO-GO” dancer? Amazing.

[airplane]

How many times have you met Arturo Gatti?

Al, now, I know why you're going with suicide....well, heck, I would too if I were to read Andre Picard's article. Are you aware that when the news of the leak came out, every other reputable news agency was careful to use the phrase: death by hanging.....and Andre Picard of the globe and mail was the only one to use the phrase "Arturo Gatti committed suicide". Apparently he is a well respected journalist. I am curious, why he is the only one to draw that conclusion?

Andre also mentioned “However, after an autopsy, Brazilian authorities concluded that the fatal wounds were self-inflicted and they dropped all charges against Ms. Rodrigues” Fatal wounds were self-inflicted???? What the hell does that mean? He beat himself to death? A suicide is considered a self-inflicted wound?

Here’s a thought that just came to mind, for everybody …..I wonder who was it that initially told the press that they went to Brazil on their second honeymoon to work out their differences? Was it a member of the Gatti family…..or behind door #2…Amanda? I highly doubt it came from Team Gatti. So, if this were all a premeditated plot, doesn’t a statement such as “we were there like it were a second honeymoon” just add to the perception that she had no intention of killing him? Hmmmm?? Let’s face it, it would be really dumb of her NOT to give a press release that gives everybody the notion that they were there to reconcile their differences.

[airplane]

I will respect the memory of the man.

But i must also respect the professionalism of two different medical examiners. One of them in his home country at the family's choosing.

André Picard

MONTREAL — From Monday's Globe and Mail
Last updated on Sunday, Sep. 20, 2009 07:39PM EDT


A second autopsy, conducted in Canada, confirms that boxing champion Arturo Gatti committed suicide by hanging himself at a Brazilian resort, according to media reports.

The autopsy, conducted by a Quebec coroner and overseen by a top U.S. pathologist hired by the boxer's family, definitively rejected the theory that Mr. Gatti was strangled, according to a report in the Montreal newspaper La Presse.

Amanda Rodrigues, Mr. Gatti's wife and the woman who was initially charged with murder in the case, said she felt vindicated by the findings.

“The truth has triumphed,” she said Sunday in an interview with the TVA television network. “I hope now people will stop judging me and let me live in peace.”

Mr. Gatti was found dead on the morning of July 11, in a luxury resort in Porto de Galinhas, Brazil. He was 37.

There were two competing theories about the death: 1) Mr. Gatti used a purse strap to hang himself from a staircase column after a drunken rampage; 2) Mr. Gatti was strangled by his wife while he slept and then posed as if he had committed suicide.

What is not in dispute is that the couple had a stormy relationship and that, the evening before the death, they had a violent confrontation during which a drunken Mr. Gatti assaulted his wife.

Brazilian-born Ms. Rodrigues, 23, was initially charged with murder, and spent 18 days in jail. She is suing Brazilian police for wrongful imprisonment.

However, after an autopsy, Brazilian authorities concluded that the fatal wounds were self-inflicted and they dropped all charges against Ms. Rodrigues.

Brazilian police concluded that Mr. Gatti tied the purse string around his neck, stood on a stool, then kicked it out from under his feet. The body probably dangled for several hours before falling to the floor, where Mr. Gatti was found in the morning by his wife.

Mr. Gatti's family disputed the conclusion, convinced that the boxer had been murdered. They insisted on a new autopsy, and the Quebec government agreed.

Jean Brochu, who conducted the autopsy, yesterday refused to comment on the leaked report.

Fabrizio Gatti, Mr. Gatti's brother, also refused to comment. He had said previously that the second autopsy would result in important revelations.

According to La Presse, the autopsy and related toxicology tests revealed that Mr. Gatti had chemicals in his body that are found in sleep aides. (The initial theory was that he had been drugged before he was killed.)

Ms. Rodrigues said, however, that Mr. Gatti suffered from insomnia and routinely took sleep aides such as Tylenol PM, a drug available over the counter in Brazil but not in Canada.

Mr. Gatti won two world titles during his 16-year professional boxing career. Ms. Rodrigues is the sole heir to his multimillion-dollar estate.

The couple had one child, who is now one.

in my last post, i meant to quote this post...not the previous one

[airplane]

Equaliser, sorry for the long delay...it got busy...anyways, back to answering your PM...

1- Moises Teixeira - I too, still wonder why his disappearance has not been questioned by the media. Why the media has not made an attempt to dig up any info from him, after all, apparently he was the first one on site.
2- The money transfer request from Amanda….this topic I feel is still not completely answered as of yet. Was she ****** enough to attempt such a thing and then have Gatti murdered? Maybe not, maybe so, but in my opinion, it pegs the meter more to the su****ious side rather than pure coincidence. I also feel there is more to come on Amanda’s antics with Arturo’s money.
3- The will – timing = perception. If she would have had him change his will way at the beginning of their marriage, maybe, it would not have appeared so relevant to this case. Heck, I’ve been married for 8 years with a couple of kids with my wife, and the topic of a will has never even been thought of, until this situation with Arturo. As of today, my wife and I have not officially drawn up a will. Amanda was married to Arturo for a short time and she decided to discuss will changes so soon?? Like I said, her timing was impeccable, June the will gets changed, then within 3 weeks Arturo is dead. By the way, I question the whole second honeymoon title that Amanda has given to their vacation in Brazil. I consider that a clever title to give the public a certain appearance as to their purpose in Brazil, however it can also be construed as a mask to a premeditated plot.
4- Correction – the event occurred on July 11th. As far as the belligerent behavior that Arturo expressed during his drunkenness, sure, it belittles him as a person, but I don’t feel that it gives the weight to make the assumption that after he realized all the mistakes he did earlier that evening, he felt that the best thing to do was to throw in the towel of life. Why I feel so strong about this, you may ask, mainly because of Junior. I feel that he was obviously more of a father, rather than a husband, therefore my opinion.
5- The toxicology report saga was put to bed (in my opinion) by a statement released by the coroner’s office after the leak to journal de Montreal. What is interesting , is that, as I write this, I googled Arturo Gatti news and there are several articles that pop up, mentioning the “Leaked information”, yet I have to make an effort to find the coroner’s denial, which, to me, has more ‘official” weight, rather than the “leak” story. You mentioned that the Canadians concluded “suicide”. Where did you see that? Was it Andre Picard’s article in Globe and mail?
6- You mention that the evidence coming out of Brazil is in direct polar opposite of what is coming out of Canada, Fabrizio, Pat Lynch, or Dr. Baden. I agree, with the exception of Dr. baden, who is, I fell doing his job with a non-biased view. Fabrizio and Pat are people that had an intimate connection (minus the sex) with Arturo and probably witnessed what previous women were capable of, and Amanda was the one that they were most scared of. Scared of the hypnotizing hold she had over him.
7- Amanda rodrigues being a stripper irrelevant to all of this??….yeah I would also tend to agree, except for her simple mistake of not admitting to it when she was confronted with the allegation. It is a creditability issue at stake. She made such a big stink about her not being a stripper before the article came out with the manager stating facts from the Squeeze lounge. Then after the article came out, she stuck to her story. Yet, there are so many undocumented witnesses that know of her stripping background. If she would have put her pride aside from the beginning and just simply admitted to her background, the story would have been crushed and everybody would have had a different discernment about her. Again you are absolutely right, who the hell cares that she was a stripper, only, if she would have admitted to it. If she is capable of “lying” It makes me think, what other things can she be capable of?
You ask, how do I feel things went down? I think I explained myself regarding the chain of events in a previous post minus one thought. I feel that Arturo being the street smart person he was known to be, he might have felt he was drugged. I would not have doubts that he knows what his body feels like under the influence of some sort of drug that he was not aware that he took. This being said, I think Arturo was upset at the notion that Amanda might have slipped something in his drink, causing him to have the unfamiliar, yet at the same time, familiar feeling of being drugged. The death by hanging theory, in my opinion, was pre-staged far in advance with the assistance of one or more individuals.
By the way, in all of her interviews, what was her story as to why they argued that night?

[airplane]

Equaliser, you PM'ed me with this..in regards to my recent post....

"Moot points.

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Do you not feel, as I do, that the complete lack of further reporting/evidence/support from The Gatti team...has kind of put this case...'to sleep'?

I GUARANTEE you that we'll here very little about this case from here on.

Gatti committed suicide.
End of."


Moot points? to who? you? there are still several people that stand the ground i stand on in regards to Arturo's Death.

you "GUARANTEE" that there is little to be heard on this case from the Gatti side from now on?? Do you know something a lot of people don't know? Are you a Gatti family member who is ok with the thought that he killed himself? i highly doubt you have any ties with the Gatti family, becasue you abviously know you would be considered an outcast.

"End of" - nothing, there is more to come (my humble opinion)