Arturo Gatti, Second Autopsy Points To a Hanging

[paulf]

No one's opinion has any baring whatsoever.

The authorities discovered that someone threw a rock at him because he was beating on his wife. How is that an opinion?

[Drunken Cat]

The authorities discovered that someone threw a rock at him because he was beating on his wife. How is that an opinion?

For one thing, I quoted a poster who himself called what he said opinion. Opinion is obviously irrelevant in a case such as this.

Additionally, that the Brazillian authorities declared Gatti had been pelted with rocks after going on record with the declaration that he had been stabbed in the back of the head with a kitchen knife which was found near his body is merely a curiosity of this case.

[The Equaliser]

GATTI'S INJURIES
When he was found dead, Gatti had several injury marks on his body. The autopsy report of the Forensic Institute of the State of Pernambuco states several bruises on the body caused by blunt objects, including an open wound behind the head. According to the autopsy, these injuries may have occurred before or just after death, when the falling body to the floor.
Investigators from the police in Ipojuca argue that these injuries would have occurred before death, in the fight where Gatti has been involved in, in the center of Porto de Galinhas. Witnesses saw angry people throwing rocks at Gatti. Blood was found on the headrest of the taxi that bought him back to the Ancorar resort. DNA tests showed this was the blood of the boxer.

BLOOD
During interrogation, Amanda Rodrigues went downstairs around 6am to get milk for the baby. She said she noticed that her husband was lying on the ground, but did not be bother about him because it thought he had fallen asleep drunk on the floor. "I was half asleep and angry against him," she said.
She also said she had not noticed the blood...but the pictures of the corpse taken by investigators from the forensic around 11 am show a significant amount of blood on the ground. Asked by media on this subject, the police chief Paulo Alberes contends that the blood would start flowing from the wound that Gatti had behind his head after 9am, "probably due to Amanda dropping his head back and that she realized he was dead, and she started shaking him. "
The first people who entered the condominium shortly after 9 pm all testified that there was only a little blood around the head of the boxer and it was spreading more and more thereafter.

ACCOMPLICES
Most proponents of the hypothesis of murder does not believe that Amanda Rodrigues, rather frail and might have killed herself the tough boxer. Many people argue, however, she might have had one or more accomplices, or even another person being introduced into the condominium to commit murder. Investigators say they have rejected this possibility for two reasons:
1 - The first is that to enter the apartment, it was essential to use a magnetic card - the doors lock automatically. Esperidião Cristina, who rents the condo at Ancorar, ensured that there were only two cards issued. Arturo had one and the other was placed in the device that starts electricity in the apartment.
However, only one entry was recorded that morning (11th July): 2:30am
2 - According to Paulo Alberes, if a man or men had murdered Gatti, there were traces of it somewhere. "There was no trace of violence or fighting in the apartment, not even in the immediate environment where the body was found"
3 - The police chief also rejected the hypothesis that Gatti had slept on the couch. No trace of blood or other bodily signs of Gatti has been found on the couch.

NOISE
In an interview with the media, the brother of Arturo, Fabrizio, wondered how he could Amanda Rodrigues did not hear the sound of the falling body of Arturo when the belt broke. The widow has always maintained that she had heard nothing.
However, the apartments at Ancorar have three air conditioners on the top floor, one bigger than the other in the main room. It is likely that these devices, which were based and which are quite noisy, could mask the noise of the fall.

DRUNK OR DRUGGED?
Witnesses said that Arturo Gatti had drunk most of two bottles of wine he and Amanda had ordered at the restaurant where they ate pizza. He then drank a beer in another restaurant, before the dispute that erupted between him and his wife.
Upon arrival at the resort, Gatti smelled of alcohol, but was "not drunk at the point of staggering," according to hotel employees.
Investigators suspect he would have drunk seven cans of Skol beer on arrival at the condominium during the night, after his wife went to the 1st-floor with the baby. The empty cans were found in the garbage near the kitchen counter.
However, toxicology tests conducted by the Institute of Forensic Medicine of the State of Pernambuco (IML) have not yet been made public. Last Friday (Sept 4), at the request of lawyers Brazilian family Gatti and the Canadian government, Judge Andrea Calacio Venancio has ordered toxicology tests are added to the folder that is in the hands of the Attorney Roberto Brayne.
The prosecutor expects to receive the analysis report in the middle of next week. The analysis will then be provided to coroners Quebec who conduct the second autopsy on the body of the boxer (which has now been completed).

CONSPIRACY
According to family members and friends Gatti Arturo, police and investigators in Brazil have been corrupted. "I was told that the police earned only $ 5,000 per year in Brazil. It is easy to be corrupted" said manager Pat Lynch
(Indeed, the police "civilians" Brazilians are beginning to pay about $US5,000, which is the average annual wage in the country. The heads of police and federal officers, however, are paid much more for $US43 000)
Counsel of Amanda Rodrigues, Celio Avelino, who plans to bring to prosecution against the State of Pernambuco because the police his client unjustly imprisoned for 18 days, said that in this survey, there has not had one investigator involved, but several police.
"In Brazil, the first police officers to intervene are civilian police. Then there are the investigators of the forensic, which is derived from a separate organization. In this case, there was also an autopsy performed by the Forensic Institute. Counsel for the State received the case and a judge also considered the evidence"
The investigation team comrised of:
Moises Teixeira - Civilian police (district of Porto de Galinhas). Chief of Police District where the death occurred, the officer was responsible for the survey during the first three days. He quickly concluded the conviction of Amanda Rodrigues. He argued it had acted so quickly only because it was "technically impossible" that a third person had entered the apartment.
Josedith Ferreira - Civilian police (responsible for homicides). He conducted one of the interrogation of Amanda Rodrigues and would have decided on the arrest. he remains silent since Amanda Rodrigues' lawyer has initiated proceedures to sue.
Paulo Alberes - Civilian police (district Ipojuca). Chief of Police Ipojuca, it was he who conducted the bulk of the investigation. He too was convinced of the guilt of the widow when he took the case. "But making progress, the survey showed us that we were misled," he says.
Roberto Brayne - solicitor for the State of Pernambuco. State Attorney in charge of the case from the beginning (the equivalent of our Crown prosecutors). He has asked a judge last week ordered the addition of certain documents to the police report, including toxicology tests done on the body of Gatti.
Luciana Maria de Oliveira Borges - Institute of Forensic Medicine. The coroner who performed the original autopsy. In her report she concluded that death by asphyxiation due to hanging.
Vanja de Oliveira Coelho - Criminalistisque Institute (Instituto de Criminalistica). With her team, she has analyzed the crime scene. This team has discovered traces of the belt on the stairs and that convinced police it was suicide.

HYPOTHESIS OF SUICICE
Findings of the Brazilian police: after drinking wine and beer, Arturo Gatti would have hung the nylon handbag strap/belt at the junction of two pieces of wood in the middle of the stairs of the apartment, at a height of 2.23m (7.31ft). It would then be mounted on a stool to pass his head through the strap. The stoll was found overturned nearby. After three hours, the nylon strap loop is broken and the body would have fallen to the ground.
Marks were detected on the wood where the belt had been installed. Investigators also found microscopic nylon fibers at this location.


Coroners have confirmed that the body doesn't show signs of being punched, kicked, beaten or restrained....they've checked for signs of 5 toxic metals and 15 toxic organic substances found in blood-streams when dealing with homicides and found zero.
Tylenol PM traces have been found in his blood-stream which now, I'm sad to say, is what the 'Gatti-Was-Murdered' lobby are now going to move their desperate-but-now-flagging attention to.

It's all sad, unfortunate and ******, but it really does makes sense that suicide is the way it went down....but you know what is even sadder?
When the verdict of suicide is eventually confirmed, Gatti fans still won't believe it.

[airplane]

Equaliser, would you happen to have the link where you got all this info from?

because you sound like you've actually been down in recife and port de galinhas...and this is a lot of very interesting information...unless, of course, your recent post is all from news articles

..however i ask you again as i put a thought in everyone else's mind...what the hell happened to Moises Teixeira ???? do you know???? can he be found and interviewed to see why he made his initial conclusion?

the paragraph you wrote regarding accomplices…you’re telling us that, in regards to all the actions that Amanda has taken leading up to their trip to Brazil….i think you know what I mean…..the money transfer requests, the will changes…and probably there is even more that we may never know…etc….you don’t think that in Arturo’s state of drunkenness mixed with the Brazilian sleep drug, there is no possibility that Amanda could have staged someone to assist with the suicide scenario?
Here’s a scenario…Amanda and Arturo swipe to open the door….swipe the magnetic device to turn on the electricity, Amanda either does not close the door behind her fully…or closes it but is aware that upon executing her plan, she will need to give access to the room to someone that does not have the key card…therefore opens the door shortly after her entrance because she is fully aware that her accomplices are just outside of the door….and the rest is history. No fight is needed…Arturo is drunk with a Brazilian sleep drug in his system…he can technically sleep while standing up

Also, doesn’t anybody wonder why it’s taken so long to release the toxicology report from the Brazilian side???…. things that make you go HMMM.


You also stated that the heads of police and federal officers make in the range of $43k US…..does anybody wonder what Paulo Alberes actually makes??

by the way...the post you made.....is it a translation from an article? is it me or does the English suck?

[Al Haymon]

Joestrong - despite yesterday’s press release from the Quebec coroner, you still feel swayed to consider suicide?

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Arturo Gatti committed suicide.


Yes. I agree with the two jurisdictions and the two separate medical examiners. If you were on a jury, you would be required to absolve her of guilt. All of the neutral evidence seems to point to suicide.

Unless and until more evidence surfaces, I have to agree with the professionals who actually examined the body and the evidence.

[airplane]

Al Haymon..you just mentioned "two jurisdictions and the two separate medical examiners"....again i say, despite the recent quebec press release stating that they "vehemently" denied any leaks....you are going with the suicide theory?
the head coroner goes on the record regarding the leak, yet the person responsible for the actual leak to La Presse, does not have the BALLS to show his face.....neither does the press reporter have the BALLS to fess up where they got that leak...things that make you go Hmmm...why are you so jumpy to the conclusion of suicide? are you trying to convince the small crowd of interested readers on boxing scene.com...something that has yet to be solved? come on man, sit back, and wait before you speak your conclusion....and better yet..in BOLD
All of the neutral evidence is a matter of perception.
your posts make it apparent that you have the same agenda that the equaliser has. Did Arturo piss ya'll off at one time? or is Amanda's mesmerizing talk (or maybe something else) got ya’ll convinced?

[catalinul]

Arturo Gatti committed suicide.


Yes. I agree with the two jurisdictions and the two separate medical examiners. If you were on a jury, you would be required to absolve her of guilt. All of the neutral evidence seems to point to suicide.

Unless and until more evidence surfaces, I have to agree with the professionals who actually examined the body and the evidence.

We re you there?

If not it's just an opinion regardless if you post it in bold.

Even if he did(altough I don't believe it) the manner of the investigation will always leave questions.

[Al Haymon]

We re you there?

If not it's just an opinion regardless if you post it in bold.

Even if he did(altough I don't believe it) the manner of the investigation will always leave questions.

I was as much there as his family who is insisting that he did not.

Again, I will choose to believe the two medical examiners. In bold

[Drunken Cat]

I was as much there as his family who is insisting that he did not.

Again, I will choose to believe the two medical examiners. In bold

And again your repeated misrepresentation of the Canadian coroner's office in question does not make what you say any more factual.

[airplane]

Kirin, I could have not said it better myself...

Here is one of the articles that "should" take away the so-called 2 coroners conclusion..

sportsnet.ca/more/2009/09/22/gatti_death/#
I am not one of those with the man-crush on Arturo....i am just patiently waiting for the final conclusion….and if it comes out as suicide, well then, I will have to understand.