Why do boxing analyst act like 205-225 lb boxers are too small for the heavyweight division?

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  • Dr. Z
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    #21
    Originally posted by Von Elias

    Wilder only dominated B and C level opponents
    And numerous Grade D opponents. Yet he's 0-2-1 ( should be 0-3 ) vs the only grade A man he fought.

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    • -Kev-
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      #22
      Originally posted by WillieWild114
      Have you paid attention to Wlad record he got knocked out by a 5’11 225lb lamon brewster !!!
      We covered that a few posts back.

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      • KingGilgamesh
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        #23
        I fight at about 270lbs in K1 and I'm really beyond the point of diminishing returns. The optimal heavyweight weight is likely about 230lbs. I've never bought into this superheavyweight era and I've seem way too many of these superheavies (Fury included) struggle with smaller guys to ever buy into that being 6ft5+ is some kind of requirement.

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        • JakeTheBoxer
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          #24
          Ali was 216 lbs in Rumble in Jungle. But people keep saying he would be too small today lol.

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          • WillieWild114
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            #25
            Originally posted by -Kev-
            Wlad dominated for over a decade basically because he was bigger and taller than his opponents and fought like a tall fighter is supposed to (stay outside, jab, right hands).

            No coincidence that the guy who dethroned Wlad was even bigger, taller than him and also fought him like the taller fighter.

            Also no coincidence the guy who dethroned Wilder was, again, bigger and taller and absolutely used his size to wear him down.

            We don’t have to keep talking about Fury though. Just look at Ali. Ali was bigger and taller than basically all of his opponents. He was able to so successful because he was bigger, taller, fought like the longer/taller fighter and was really the first fighter of his kind. Being that big and that tall but so much better at movement than any other big man in HW before him.

            With Tyson Fury, it’s the same. He isn’t just big and tall. Valuev was big and tall, how good was he? Not terrible, but not all that good. Tyson Fury is the first 6’9” fighter in history who moves and punches like he does.

            It’s not that Usyk and Wilder are just small. It’s that they’re fighting a big man who doesn’t move like he’s expected to. AJ is more like a big man who moves like a big man. But that’s not everything needed at HW.

            Usyk is going to lose to Fury due to Fury being so much bigger, taller, and will be moving just as good as any other smaller fighter, punching just as fast, while also wrestling Usyk down if Usyk is ever getting the better of him. If Fury was 6’3”, 220lbs, he wouldn’t be the favorite vs Usyk. And quite frankly, he wouldn’t beat Usyk. It’s everything combined that gives Fury the edge, most importantly his size.
            Ali was the same size and even smaller in weight to many of his opponents most of the opponents who beat him were shorter than him. For a huge guy Fury got knocked down multiple times by guys who didn’t even hit that hard.

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              #26
              Originally posted by WillieWild114
              Deontay Wilder dominated the division at 215-225 lb and Uysk is heavyweight champion at 221 lb so why people act like that is undersized.
              Yea! Why don’t lightweights regularly fight in the middle weight division? Easy pickings.

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              • MONGOOSE66
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                #27
                Originally posted by Zelda
                Weight is just one aspect. Height and reach also matter along with weight. Fury is tall and can use the reach advantage to hurt you before you can hurt him and use the height advantage to lean on you so make you tire easily. Ruiz Jr weights 260+ but cannot lean on you during clinches. Wilder may weigh less but is tall and, therefore, does not allow opponents to lean on him except for Fury who is taller than him. Usyk and Ruiz Jr beat AJ because AJ doesn't know how to use his physical attributes to his advantage.

                So, the opinion that 205-225 lbs are "small" only holds when compared to 250+ lbs fighters who are tall, have a reach advantage, and most importantly know how to use their attributes to their advantage.
                Too bad majority of people on this site don’t have a clue to what your talking about. Might as well be nuclear physics your explaining.

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