Originally posted by Von Elias
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Why do boxing analyst act like 205-225 lb boxers are too small for the heavyweight division?
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I fight at about 270lbs in K1 and I'm really beyond the point of diminishing returns. The optimal heavyweight weight is likely about 230lbs. I've never bought into this superheavyweight era and I've seem way too many of these superheavies (Fury included) struggle with smaller guys to ever buy into that being 6ft5+ is some kind of requirement.
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Originally posted by -Kev- View PostWlad dominated for over a decade basically because he was bigger and taller than his opponents and fought like a tall fighter is supposed to (stay outside, jab, right hands).
No coincidence that the guy who dethroned Wlad was even bigger, taller than him and also fought him like the taller fighter.
Also no coincidence the guy who dethroned Wilder was, again, bigger and taller and absolutely used his size to wear him down.
We don’t have to keep talking about Fury though. Just look at Ali. Ali was bigger and taller than basically all of his opponents. He was able to so successful because he was bigger, taller, fought like the longer/taller fighter and was really the first fighter of his kind. Being that big and that tall but so much better at movement than any other big man in HW before him.
With Tyson Fury, it’s the same. He isn’t just big and tall. Valuev was big and tall, how good was he? Not terrible, but not all that good. Tyson Fury is the first 6’9” fighter in history who moves and punches like he does.
It’s not that Usyk and Wilder are just small. It’s that they’re fighting a big man who doesn’t move like he’s expected to. AJ is more like a big man who moves like a big man. But that’s not everything needed at HW.
Usyk is going to lose to Fury due to Fury being so much bigger, taller, and will be moving just as good as any other smaller fighter, punching just as fast, while also wrestling Usyk down if Usyk is ever getting the better of him. If Fury was 6’3”, 220lbs, he wouldn’t be the favorite vs Usyk. And quite frankly, he wouldn’t beat Usyk. It’s everything combined that gives Fury the edge, most importantly his size.
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Originally posted by Zelda View PostWeight is just one aspect. Height and reach also matter along with weight. Fury is tall and can use the reach advantage to hurt you before you can hurt him and use the height advantage to lean on you so make you tire easily. Ruiz Jr weights 260+ but cannot lean on you during clinches. Wilder may weigh less but is tall and, therefore, does not allow opponents to lean on him except for Fury who is taller than him. Usyk and Ruiz Jr beat AJ because AJ doesn't know how to use his physical attributes to his advantage.
So, the opinion that 205-225 lbs are "small" only holds when compared to 250+ lbs fighters who are tall, have a reach advantage, and most importantly know how to use their attributes to their advantage.
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