POLL: Will Devin Haney Duck Lomachenko?

[The Big Dunn]

You are a bona-fide fuvkcing moron

This is an alt of a peepeepoopooman, created after “he”’was permabanned for continued racist posts.

It’s sad that Loma attracts these type of posters as fans. Posters that only like him because he is white.

I just hope these type of posters don’t bring their racist views to guys like Usyk and Bivol. It’s been a joy to not have the vile racist scum on their bandwagons so we can just enjoy them boxing and discuss them rationally.

[STREET CLEANER]

Haney went from a guy that they can't promote to the undisputed 135 champ.

Loma is a big money fight and I doubt he won't fight him unless a Garcia or Tank fight is worth more.

He has to get past by Kambosos first. If he is a borefest again other than his titles he will have not to much leverage in negotiations. People are not going in the masses to see him.

[Cypocryphy]

You can keep pretending Dan Rafael didn’t tell everyone what really happened.

You’re going to defend this no matter what solely because you love Loma.

Just make sure you show up if Haney beats Loma. You hid after the Teo loss them showed up only to make excuses.

Men don’t behave like that.

Let's do this again Dunn. Who is the authority on the WBC's rules and regulations: Dan Rafael or the WBC and it's rules and regulations. Does Dan Rafael supersede the decisions of the WBC and tells the WBC what to do, despite its own rules? Yes or no?

[MONGOOSE66]

What does everyone think here? Is Devin ducking and dodging Loma?

Depends how sheeity Loma looks in his next fight. If Loma looks damn good. Haney will find a different opponent. Personally I think Loma is ready to be exploited by a YOUNG, fast, upper class boxer. That’s Haney. Teo proved it years ago. Sooo….

[Cypocryphy]

Depends how sheeity Loma looks in his next fight. If Loma looks damn good. Haney will find a different opponent. Personally I think Loma is ready to be exploited by a YOUNG, fast, upper class boxer. That’s Haney. Teo proved it years ago. Sooo….

I hope Haney sees it that way. I hope Haney believes in himself, in his youth and side advantage, to not duck Loma. He's already talking as if he's planning on ducking that fight, which is pretty ****ty considering that he and his father continue to talk **** about Loma. I find it concerning that he was talking about fighting Loma nonstop up until Loma emerged from the war and landed in the states. As soon as that happened, Haney's energy completely changed. That's a terrible look. Just because of that, Haney shouldn't be near the P4P list, IMO.

[The Big Dunn]

Let's do this again Dunn. Who is the authority on the WBC's rules and regulations: Dan Rafael or the WBC and it's rules and regulations. Does Dan Rafael supersede the decisions of the WBC and tells the WBC what to do, despite its own rules? Yes or no?

Posting the rules doesn’t absolve Loma of asking for the emeritus designation to avoid Haney.

He asked for it then lied that he did.

If ANY other boxer had done this to avoid Loma you’d call it a duck. Do the same here.

[davef]

No why would he duck Loma is on the decline and not a natural at 135 anyway Haney has nothing to fear

[Cypocryphy]

Posting the rules doesn’t absolve Loma of asking for the emeritus designation to avoid Haney.

He asked for it then lied that he did.

If ANY other boxer had done this to avoid Loma you’d call it a duck. Do the same here.

The only way you can duck someone is when that boxer becomes a mandatory. You have to have an organization, a sanctioning body, order the fight. And then, when that happens, you vacate. That's a duck.

Can you please point or cite any evidence that a sanctioning body, here the WBC, ordered the fight between Devin and Loma? I'd like to see that. Also, it's a duck when you have a promotional outfit setting up a fight between two boxers and one of them pulls out, either breaks contract to fight or th***** the intentions of a network and promotional agency. Can you point to or cite any evidence that this occurred between Loma and Devin in 2019 or 2020?

Loma didn't ask for it because a boxer cannot ask to be made franchise champion. Only a promotor can request franchise status. Those are there rules. That means only Top Rank could have requested the franchise belt.

Also, Loma was stripped of that belt. He didn't drop it. See here:

Unified world champion Lomachenko, who won the vacant WBC belt by decision over Luke Campbell on Aug. 31, was stripped of the belt and given the honorary title of "franchise champion," the second in WBC history since its recent creation for Canelo Alvarez. Interim titlist Haney, who elevated to the WBC's world titleholder, had been scheduled to defend the interim belt on Nov. 9 against an opponent to be named and now will defend the full title. Also, the Nov. 2 bout between former titleholders Javier Fortuna and Jesus Cuellar was approved as a final eliminator to determine Haney's mandatory challenger. (Link is "here")

Also, I found another article that talks about Haney's tournament and what it meant to be a mandatory:

Haney (22-0, 14 KO) vs. Abdullaev (11-0, 7 KO) was one of two bouts the WBC ordered alongside the Vasiliy Lomachenko-Luke Campbell vacant title fight, the other being Teofimo Lopez vs. Javier Fortuna. As Lopez instead set his sights on the IBF belt, it looks as though this will determine either Lomachenko or Campbell’s first WBC mandatory.

Of course, considering said winner will have three sanctioning bodies to appease, it may be a while before Haney or Abdullaev gets a crack at him. (Article)

Also you can see that Haney was to fight Abdulaev for that #1 position with the WBC but then the WBC had him fight for the interim belt instead. Why? Because this was the plan all along. Haney had no intention of being Loma's mandatory, here's the article and then go watch Bill Haney with Suleiman on Barbershop conversations:

Haney (22-0 14 KOs) arrived in New York last night having finished training camp at home in Las Vegas, and has a spring in his step after his final eliminator clash with Abdullaev (11-0 7 KOs) was given added ****e by the WBC adding the Interim title to the spoils. (article)

Also, you can see that this "mandatory" talk started with Haney saying that he would be the mandatory. But as I pointed out a long time ago, when you fight for the interim title belt and win it, you cease becoming the mandatory. I can see that Bill Haney and Devin had no clue that this would be the case, but I also find it strange that they wouldn't know about this considering these have been the rules for decades now.

"This not only makes me the WBC mandatory for Vasiliy Lomachenko, but I’m able to do Interim title defenses until Loma is ready to fight. I believe the winner of Haney vs Abdullaev is in a really good position with the WBC."

That fighting for the interim belt was a last minute decision:

Vasiliy Lomachenko just defeated Luke Campbell last month in London to win the vacant WBC belt, so it seems odd to see an interim WBC belt at stake. But WBC president Mauricio Sulaiman told Yahoo Sports on Monday that Top Rank, Lomachenko’s promoter, said Lomachenko would not fight again this year and that his first bout in 2020 would be a unification bout with the winner of the Dec. 14 match between Richard Commey and Teofimo Lopez.

Given that, the WBC agreed to sanction Haney-Abdullaev for the interim title. It’s a pretend belt because anyone who follows the sport even marginally is aware that Lomachenko is the best in that class, but it’s important for Haney. (Link)

So you can see that Haney was never mandatory. Now the burden is on you to provide evidence to the contrary. Good luck.

[The Big Dunn]

The only way you can duck someone is when that boxer becomes a mandatory. You have to have an organization, a sanctioning body, order the fight. And then, when that happens, you vacate. That's a duck.

Can you please point or cite any evidence that a sanctioning body, here the WBC, ordered the fight between Devin and Loma? I'd like to see that. Also, it's a duck when you have a promotional outfit setting up a fight between two boxers and one of them pulls out, either breaks contract to fight or th***** the intentions of a network and promotional agency. Can you point to or cite any evidence that this occurred between Loma and Devin in 2019 or 2020?

Loma didn't ask for it because a boxer cannot ask to be made franchise champion. Only a promotor can request franchise status. Those are there rules. That means only Top Rank could have requested the franchise belt.

Also, Loma was stripped of that belt. He didn't drop it. See here:

Unified world champion Lomachenko, who won the vacant WBC belt by decision over Luke Campbell on Aug. 31, was stripped of the belt and given the honorary title of "franchise champion," the second in WBC history since its recent creation for Canelo Alvarez. Interim titlist Haney, who elevated to the WBC's world titleholder, had been scheduled to defend the interim belt on Nov. 9 against an opponent to be named and now will defend the full title. Also, the Nov. 2 bout between former titleholders Javier Fortuna and Jesus Cuellar was approved as a final eliminator to determine Haney's mandatory challenger. (Link is "here")

Also, I found another article that talks about Haney's tournament and what it meant to be a mandatory:

Haney (22-0, 14 KO) vs. Abdullaev (11-0, 7 KO) was one of two bouts the WBC ordered alongside the Vasiliy Lomachenko-Luke Campbell vacant title fight, the other being Teofimo Lopez vs. Javier Fortuna. As Lopez instead set his sights on the IBF belt, it looks as though this will determine either Lomachenko or Campbell’s first WBC mandatory.

Of course, considering said winner will have three sanctioning bodies to appease, it may be a while before Haney or Abdullaev gets a crack at him. (Article)

Also you can see that Haney was to fight Abdulaev for that #1 position with the WBC but then the WBC had him fight for the interim belt instead. Why? Because this was the plan all along. Haney had no intention of being Loma's mandatory, here's the article and then go watch Bill Haney with Suleiman on Barbershop conversations:

Haney (22-0 14 KOs) arrived in New York last night having finished training camp at home in Las Vegas, and has a spring in his step after his final eliminator clash with Abdullaev (11-0 7 KOs) was given added ****e by the WBC adding the Interim title to the spoils. (article)

Also, you can see that this "mandatory" talk started with Haney saying that he would be the mandatory. But as I pointed out a long time ago, when you fight for the interim title belt and win it, you cease becoming the mandatory. I can see that Bill Haney and Devin had no clue that this would be the case, but I also find it strange that they wouldn't know about this considering these have been the rules for decades now.

"This not only makes me the WBC mandatory for Vasiliy Lomachenko, but I’m able to do Interim title defenses until Loma is ready to fight. I believe the winner of Haney vs Abdullaev is in a really good position with the WBC."

That fighting for the interim belt was a last minute decision:

Vasiliy Lomachenko just defeated Luke Campbell last month in London to win the vacant WBC belt, so it seems odd to see an interim WBC belt at stake. But WBC president Mauricio Sulaiman told Yahoo Sports on Monday that Top Rank, Lomachenko’s promoter, said Lomachenko would not fight again this year and that his first bout in 2020 would be a unification bout with the winner of the Dec. 14 match between Richard Commey and Teofimo Lopez.

Given that, the WBC agreed to sanction Haney-Abdullaev for the interim title. It’s a pretend belt because anyone who follows the sport even marginally is aware that Lomachenko is the best in that class, but it’s important for Haney. (Link)

So you can see that Haney was never mandatory. Now the burden is on you to provide evidence to the contrary. Good luck.

Dan Rafael’s article. Read it.

[Cypocryphy]

Dan Rafael’s article. Read it.

I did. He just keeps saying the same thing I quoted, such as:

The biggest news came in the lightweight division, in which unified world champion -- and pound-for-pound king -- Vasiliy Lomachenko was relieved of his WBC title and given the honorary title of "franchise champion," and interim titlist Devin Haney was elevated to the WBC's world titleholder.

Maybe you can quote what it is that you want me to read.