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  • MoneyKasha
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    Skill wise what does Usyk do better than Bud

    Usyk is a phenomenal fighter, one of the greatest talents I have ever seen but i have seen some hyperbole that some say he is the greatest skilled fighter at the moment, that is kind of an attack on Bud... what exactly, skill wise, does Usyk do better than Crawford?
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    nothing at all

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      Originally posted by real raw
      nothing at all
      interesting

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        Usyk is a better southpaw than Crawford. Hand's down. Usyk avoids punches better than Crawford, has better defense. And when he does get hit, Usyk stays on his feet better than Crawford, takes punches better, has a better chin. Usyk has better footwork than Crawford. He hits harder than Crawford. He has better ring IQ than Crawford. Want me to go on?
        Last edited by Cypocryphy; 08-24-2022, 05:28 PM.

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          Inoue, Canelo and Crawford beat Usyk like a drum at the same size. Current p4p lists ain't based on pure definition of p4p. Just think you struggled against a big stiff bodybuilder and placed at #1 smh..

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            #6
            Originally posted by Cypocryphy
            Usyk is a better southpaw than Crawford. Hand's down. Usyk avoids punches better than Crawford, has better defense. And when he does get hit, Usyk stays on his feet better than Crawford, takes punches better, has a better chin. Usyk has better footwork than Crawford. He hits harder than Crawford. He has better ring IQ then Crawford. Want me to go on?
            the defense thing i might have to disagree with...Bud is an elite counterpuncher where as Usyk fights like pacman offensively with angles etc. Usyk also allows himself to get hit more i feel

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              Originally posted by MoneyKasha

              the defense thing i might have to disagree with...Bud is an elite counterpuncher where as Usyk fights like pacman offensively with angles etc. Usyk also allows himself to get hit more i feel
              Actually, you might have a point there. Here's the current ratings as they stand.


              Plus / Minus List
              FIGHTER
              CONN. PCT.
              OPP. CONN. PCT.
              +/- RATING
              PUNCHES ROUND (L/T)


              LOMACHENKO VASILIY
              36.7%
              17.5%
              +19.2
              20.5/55.9
              BIVOL DMITRY
              30.8%
              12.7%
              +18.1
              17.1/55.5
              STEVENSON SHAKUR
              31.5%
              13.9%
              +17.6
              13.9/44.1
              BENAVIDEZ DAVID
              38.4%
              21.7%
              +16.7
              25.6/66.7
              INOUE NAOYA
              35.9%
              21.2%
              +14.7
              23.2/64.7
              CRAWFORD TERENCE
              34.7%
              21.2%
              +13.5
              15.8/45.5
              DAVIS GERVONTA
              34.6%
              21.6%
              +13
              12/34.7
              ALVAREZ SAUL
              35.9%
              23.2%
              +12.7
              14.7/41
              IOKA KAZUTO
              31.3%
              19.5%
              +11.8
              19.4/62
              ANDRADE DEMETRIUS
              29.3%
              18.3%
              +11
              15.7/53.5
              GONZALEZ ROMAN
              36.2%
              25.3%
              +10.9
              32.3/89.2
              NERY LUIS
              29.7%
              19.5%
              +10.2
              20.2/67.9
              GALAHAD KID
              29.7%
              19.5%
              +10.2
              19.8/66.7
              JACK BADOU
              35.1%
              25%
              +10.1
              17.6/50.2
              BERCHELT MIGUEL
              36.8%
              26.8%
              +10
              26.9/73
              ESTRADA JUAN-FRAN
              33.6%
              23.7%
              +9.9
              25.5/76
              GOLOVKIN GENNADY
              37%
              27.2%
              +9.8
              24.3/65.6
              HANEY DEVIN
              29.3%
              19.8%
              +9.5
              13.4/45.7
              SANTA-CRUZ LEO
              33.3%
              23.8%
              +9.5
              27.9/83.9
              WILLIAMS JULIAN
              34.7%
              25.3%
              +9.4
              16.9/48.7
              BETERBIEV ARTUR
              30.2%
              20.9%
              +9.3
              19/62.9
              SPENCE ERROL
              31%
              21.9%
              +9.1
              21.4/69
              MUNGUIA JAIME
              33.4%
              24.5%
              +8.9
              21.4/64
              RAMIREZ GILBERTO
              30.1%
              21.2%
              +8.9
              19.3/64.2
              CHISORA DEREK
              36.5%
              27.7%
              +8.8
              15/41.1
              LARA ERISLANDY
              29%
              20.3%
              +8.7
              13.1/45.2
              UGAS YORDENIS
              31.4%
              22.8%
              +8.6
              17.6/56
              VALDEZ OSCAR
              28.8%
              20.3%
              +8.5
              15/52
              ROMAN DANIEL
              31.1%
              22.8%
              +8.3
              22/70.8
              CASTANO BRIAN
              29.9%
              22%
              +7.9
              21/70.2
              TANAKA KOSEI
              30.7%
              22.8%
              +7.9
              21.4/69.6
              THURMAN KEITH
              32%
              24.2%
              +7.8
              17.5/54.7
              JOSHUA ANTHONY
              31%
              23.3%
              +7.7
              12.2/39.4
              LOPEZ TEOFIMO
              32.7%
              25.5%
              +7.2
              15.6/47.7
              NAVARRETE EMANUEL
              31.6%
              24.4%
              +7.2
              22.7/71.9
              HARRISON TONY
              31.4%
              24.3%
              +7.1
              13.3/42.3
              SMITH LIAM
              30.4%
              23.3%
              +7.1
              18.9/62.2
              FARMER TEVIN
              30.7%
              23.7%
              +7
              17.8/57.9
              DIRRELL ANTHONY
              35.9%
              29%
              +6.9
              17.1/47.6
              WARRINGTON JOSH
              30.1%
              23.7%
              +6.4
              17/56.5
              GARCIA DANNY
              29.4%
              23.1%
              +6.3
              15.1/51.3
              RUIZ-JR. ANDY
              28.7%
              22.4%
              +6.3
              10.9/38
              CHARLO JERMALL
              30.6%
              24.4%
              +6.2
              15.2/49.7
              CHARLO JERMELL
              31.3%
              25.2%
              +6.1
              12.5/40
              TAYLOR JOSH
              28.5%
              22.6%
              +5.9
              13/45.6
              ALVAREZ ELEIDER
              30.4%
              25.1%
              +5.3
              11.2/36.8
              USYK OLEKSANDR
              27.9%
              22.8%
              +5.1
              17.5/62.7
              WILDER DEONTAY
              34.3%
              29.2%
              +5.1
              12.5/36.4
              KOWNACKI ADAM
              33.2%
              28.2%
              +5
              22.6/68
              BELTRAN RAYMUNDO
              32.7%
              28.2%
              +4.5
              16/49
              LUBIN ERICKSON
              29.1%
              24.8%
              +4.3
              13/44.6
              RAMIREZ JOSE-CARLOS
              30.4%
              27.1%
              +3.3
              17.8/58.5
              KAMBOSOS GEORGE
              25.4%
              22.2%
              +3.2
              11.8/46.5
              BRANT ROB
              27.2%
              24.3%
              +2.9
              19.4/71.2
              PEDRAZA JOSE
              28.9%
              26.2%
              +2.7
              15.9/55
              FURY TYSON
              28%
              25.4%
              +2.6
              13.5/48.2
              WHYTE DILLIAN
              30.9%
              28.3%
              +2.6
              18.4/59.6
              CANO PABLO-CESAR
              28.5%
              25.9%
              +2.6
              18.8/65.9
              FRAMPTON CARL
              26.9%
              24.6%
              +2.3
              14.7/54.6
              JACOBS DANIEL
              27.9%
              25.6%
              +2.3
              13.3/47.7
              HURD JARRETT
              31.4%
              29.2%
              +2.2
              19.7/62.8
              VARGAS REY
              28.7%
              26.6%
              +2.1
              18.8/65.5
              ORTIZ LUIS
              23.5%
              21.9%
              +1.6
              10.2/43.4
              ARREOLA CHRIS
              30.2%
              28.7%
              +1.5
              14.3/47.3
              LOPEZ JOSESITO
              27.5%
              26.3%
              +1.2
              15.2/55.3
              SOR-RUNGVISAI SRISAKET
              30.1%
              29%
              +1.1
              21.8/72.5
              ZEPEDA JOSE
              29.3%
              28.2%
              +1.1
              13.7/46.8
              LIPINETS SERGEY
              28.6%
              27.5%
              +1.1
              15.8/55.2
              ALGIERI CHRIS
              28.7%
              27.9%
              +0.8
              20.2/70.3
              KOVALEV SERGEY
              28.2%
              27.9%
              +0.3
              15.6/55.4
              EASTER ROBERT
              26.3%
              26%
              +0.3
              14/53.2
              CUADRAS CARLOS
              26.3%
              26.1%
              +0.2
              19.3/73.4
              BARRERA SULLIVAN
              25.6%
              25.6%
              +0
              14/54.7
              PARKER JOSEPH
              27.8%
              27.8%
              +0
              12.4/44.6
              BREAZEALE DOMINIC
              22.2%
              34.8%
              +-12.6
              9.7/43.6
              NDAM HASSAN
              20.7%
              32.3%
              +-11.6
              9.7/46.9
              ROSADO GABRIEL
              23.3%
              33.7%
              +-10.4
              12.3/52.8
              HELENIUS ROBERT
              25.2%
              31.9%
              +-6.7
              11.5/45.6
              GAMBOA YURIORKIS
              20.5%
              27.2%
              +-6.7
              9.9/48.4
              SMITH CALLUM
              24.8%
              30.9%
              +-6.1
              14.2/57.2
              VARGAS JESSIE
              26.9%
              30.8%
              +-3.9
              15.2/56.5
              MARTINEZ KIKO
              25.1%
              27.7%
              +-2.6
              15.2/60.5
              GRANADOS ADRIAN
              30.2%
              32.8%
              +-2.6
              24.2/80.1
              HART JESSE
              25.4%
              27.8%
              +-2.4
              10.7/42.2
              SMITH JOE
              25%
              27.3%
              +-2.3
              13/52.1
              VARGAS FRANCISCO
              31.4%
              33.6%
              +-2.2
              23.9/76.2
              DEREVYANCHENKO SERGIY
              29.8%
              31.9%
              +-2.1
              18.5/62.1
              BARRIOS MARIO
              23.8%
              25.7%
              +-1.9
              11/46.3
              RAMOS ABEL
              27.9%
              29.4%
              +-1.5
              18.1/64.8
              PASCAL JEAN
              30.9%
              32.4%
              +-1.5
              10.8/34.9
              LINARES JORGE
              25.6%
              26.6%
              +-1
              14.8/57.7
              LEMIEUX DAVID
              31.9%
              32.9%
              +-1
              16.1/50.4
              RUSSELL-JR. GARY
              23.7%
              24.5%
              +-0.8
              15.5/65.4
              ANCAJAS JERWIN
              28.5%
              29.3%
              +-0.8
              17.3/60.6
              HOOKER MAURICE
              27.8%
              28.6%
              +-0.8
              19.1/68.7
              JAMES JAMAL
              26%
              26.7%
              +-0.7
              18.6/71.6
              FIGUEROA BRANDON
              30.6%
              31.2%
              +-0.6
              28.4/92.9
              CANCIO ANDREW
              29.1%
              29.4%
              +-0.3
              20.6/70.9
              ROMAN MICKEY
              32.9%
              33.1%
              +-0.2
              24.5/74.4
              PULEV KUBRAT
              27.4%
              27.5%
              +-0.1
              11.9/43.5
              DONAIRE NONITO
              26.7%
              26.8%
              +-0.1
              11.2/42

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              • real raw
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                #8
                The depth and breath of the heavyweight division will never match the lower weight classes, particularly lightweight through welterweight which is historically the "sweetspot" (skill intersects power). What Usyk does may looks impressive against heavyweights, but its average for the lower weight classes.

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                • MoneyKasha
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                  #9
                  anyone else?

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                  • elfag
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Silence
                    Inoue, Canelo and Crawford beat Usyk like a drum at the same size. Current p4p lists ain't based on pure definition of p4p. Just think you struggled against a big stiff bodybuilder and placed at #1 smh..


                    Usyk is 2-0 against a guy who had 20+ pounds on him. When has Crawford done this?

                    He had a size and reach advantage against most from 135-140.
                    Last edited by elfag; 08-29-2022, 10:46 PM.

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