Haney isn't boring at all.

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How in the hell can you compare the two? Bivol rarely initiates a clinch,throws 3-4 fluid punch combinations with some intent behind them,throws a stiff hard job as well,good work rate....all while being defensively sound/tight. It's night and day between the two styles man. Haney is effective and what he does,great for him but ****,sometimes you can call a spade a spade because ITS THE TRUTH. Simple as that. Thought I was watching Richard Abril in there last night.

Why Not , they got the same KO Ratio and they both use mostly a JAB

You damn right I can make that Comparison as far as STYLISTIC, OK Bivol don't hold, that makes you feel better but Haney really don't hold that much other only when he gets in a little trouble or when he gets a little tired which is really what you should do

I don't like or defending the Holding or Clinching either so I'm Consistent. I don't think "Bivol Is Boring" but I'm consistent I don't run around calling Haney Boring while turning around and Praising Bivol style who haven't had a Stoppage in like 4 years

[Cypocryphy]

you of all people know it is a Double Standard Cut the Garbage

Bivol got the win over Canelo but he wasn't exciting and he too mostly use a Jab and at times was on the Backfoot and moving away from the smaller guy (Smart Strategy no problem with it), hell Bivol haven't been Exciting at all since HBO Boxing Went out of Business 4 years ago now or whatever

You guys are completely Full Of It and I don't expect better on this forum because this is where all the Sh^t Fight Fans Hangout and Troll all day

So where is the: "HE IS BORING" "HE DON'T GET KNOCKOUTS" "HE DON'T HAVE NO POWER" "HE IS PILLOWFISTED" for Bivol? Different for him I guess right, again that Double Standard comes so natural that people don't even realize they do it instead they try to pretend like it doesn't exist...Exactly what you're doing "It Is No Double Standard!"

People **** on Bivol all the time. People **** on Floyd too. Klitchko. (I DID have issues with Floyd when he fought Manny and Kitch fought Fury because I can't stand that way of fighting.)

And we have to point out that Kambosos was ABSOLUTE ****!!! That kid shat the bed last night in front of thousands of people. He was absolute garbage last night. Dude didn't even try to do anything about it. He could have fought out of it or manipulated the hold. All kinds of things to try to get Haney to stop. But he didn't, so George can eat ****. (The referee was damn awful too).

But here's my thing. If you have to manipulate the rules in order to get a win, then I'm not going to be a fan. You know what I mean? Dipping below the belt line so dramatically that your head is between your knees ... actually, I'll have to come back to this because there's no point in saying anything about it unless I can SHOW YOU what I mean. If I can actually show you, then you'll see what I'm talking about. I'll have to show you. I think it's too hard to explain exactly what I'm talking about without video footage.

And to be fair, aside from that Linares fight when Haney was hurt, I hadn't seen him fight this way before. So I was a little surprised that this was his game plan for the whole fight. You take out all of that clinching, then I'm cool with it. But man ... the clinching every five to ten seconds it so hard on the eyes bro. It's so hard on the eyes.

Anyway, I'll just have to show you what I'm talking about.

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Naw, he's boring as hell.

Could have stepped it up and tried to get Kambosos out of there. But prefers to be safety-first and throw mostly jabs.

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Why Not , they got the same KO Ratio and they both use mostly a JAB

You damn right I can make that Comparison as far as STYLISTIC, OK Bivol don't hold, that makes you feel better but Haney really don't hold that much other only when he gets in a little trouble or when he gets a little tired which is really what you should do

I don't like or defending the Holding or Clinching either so I'm Consistent. I don't think "Bivol Is Boring" but I'm consistent I don't run around calling Haney Boring while turning around and Praising Bivol style who haven't had a Stoppage in like 4 years

KO ratio isn't indicative of one's appeal stylistically and that's not necessarily what I find boring/ugly about Haneys. Just not my cup of tea and from the responses I've read,quite a few others posters on here share the same sentiments. No double standards,just opinions and sometimes its nothing more than that. No need to dig further,cry racism or double standards because ones opinion doesn't align with yours. It's like the go to response from all sides on here,it's become nauseating.

[Sctrojan]

People **** on Bivol all the time. People **** on Floyd too. Klitchko. (I DID have issues with Floyd when he fought Manny and Kitch fought Fury because I can't stand that way of fighting.)

And we have to point out that Kambosos was ABSOLUTE ****!!! That kid shat the bed last night in front of thousands of people. He was absolute garbage last night. Dude didn't even try to do anything about it. He could have fought out of it or manipulated the hold. All kinds of things to try to get Haney to stop. But he didn't, so George can eat ****. (The referee was damn awful too).

But here's my thing. If you have to manipulate the rules in order to get a win, then I'm not going to be a fan. You know what I mean? Dipping below the belt line so dramatically that your head is between your knees ... actually, I'll have to come back to this because there's no point in saying anything about it unless I can SHOW YOU what I mean. If I can actually show you, then you'll see what I'm talking about. I'll have to show you. I think it's too hard to explain exactly what I'm talking about without video footage.

And to be fair, aside from that Linares fight when Haney was hurt, I hadn't seen him fight this way before. So I was a little surprised that this was his game plan for the whole fight. You take out all of that clinching, then I'm cool with it. But man ... the clinching every five to ten seconds it so hard on the eyes bro. It's so hard on the eyes.

Anyway, I'll just have to show you what I'm talking about.

I was going to mention that as well about never seeing Haney resort to holding so much. Jojo was countering over his right quite a few times throughout thier affair but even then he didn't initiate clinches like last night. Kambo isn't a big puncher so was suprised he made the fight as boring/ugly as it was.

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lol at linares directing haney to his corner, forgot about that

[sicko]

People **** on Bivol all the time. People **** on Floyd too. Klitchko. (I DID have issues with Floyd when he fought Manny and Kitch fought Fury because I can't stand that way of fighting.)

And we have to point out that Kambosos was ABSOLUTE ****!!! That kid shat the bed last night in front of thousands of people. He was absolute garbage last night. Dude didn't even try to do anything about it. He could have fought out of it or manipulated the hold. All kinds of things to try to get Haney to stop. But he didn't, so George can eat ****. (The referee was damn awful too).

But here's my thing. If you have to manipulate the rules in order to get a win, then I'm not going to be a fan. You know what I mean? Dipping below the belt line so dramatically that your head is between your knees ... actually, I'll have to come back to this because there's no point in saying anything about it unless I can SHOW YOU what I mean. If I can actually show you, then you'll see what I'm talking about. I'll have to show you. I think it's too hard to explain exactly what I'm talking about without video footage.

And to be fair, aside from that Linares fight when Haney was hurt, I hadn't seen him fight this way before. So I was a little surprised that this was his game plan for the whole fight. You take out all of that clinching, then I'm cool with it. But man ... the clinching every five to ten seconds it so hard on the eyes bro. It's so hard on the eyes.

Anyway, I'll just have to show you what I'm talking about.

Totally understand this and that is your choice, HOWEVER, is it not the opponent job to come in prepared for all those antics?

If he likes to Drop below your waist line then come underneath...

Great Adjustment here from Jermell Charlo of making Lubin pay for Dropping down like that...

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If he likes to Clinch, shouldn't the opponent come prepared for that as well, get more physical on the inside get your arms tucked and work on the inside or maybe even spin out of those clinches

Instead I see often times one guy Clinch, the other guy just allows it and they both look over to the Ref to come and break them. Once they see it is a ref who Breaks instead of telling them to fight out then you open the door for a lot of Clinching in that fight because the fighter knows every time he clinches the Ref will step in

[sicko]

KO ratio isn't indicative of one's appeal stylistically and that's not necessarily what I find boring/ugly about Haneys. Just not my cup of tea and from the responses I've read,quite a few others posters on here share the same sentiments. No double standards,just opinions and sometimes its nothing more than that. No need to dig further,cry racism or double standards because ones opinion doesn't align with yours. It's like the go to response from all sides on here,it's become nauseating.

No one has mentioned Race YET! Double Standard could be based on if you like a fighter or not meaning that if a fighter you actually like does something you give them a pass, however if it is a fighter you don't like, you (not you but in general) b^tch and complain about his style despite him fighting similar to the guy you like

People just don't want to address it because they know it is true, they know they're guilty of it but they want to pretend like "Oh No This Is Not True I Don't Do This..." and it is BS

Last Week some say "Tank Ran Vs Rolly" this week those same people will say "Haney Boxed Beautifully Vs Kambosos" so Double Standards has NOTHING to do with Race, it could be set on just being a damn Fanboy and again Setting Standards based on if you like a fighter or not

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He is more boring than Clinchko, Fluidweather and even Bumdrade.

Only Khabib's a$$ sniffing grappling moments in Octagon on par with him.

Yet another dumb post from NSBs village idiot.

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Totally understand this and that is your choice, HOWEVER, is it not the opponent job to come in prepared for all those antics?

If he likes to Drop below your waist line then come underneath...

Great Adjustment here from Jermell Charlo of making Lubin pay for Dropping down like that...

FickleGleefulImperatorangel-size_restricted.gif

If he likes to Clinch, shouldn't the opponent come prepared for that as well, get more physical on the inside get your arms tucked and work on the inside or maybe even spin out of those clinches

Instead I see often times one guy Clinch, the other guy just allows it and they both look over to the Ref to come and break them. Once they see it is a ref who Breaks instead of telling them to fight out then you open the door for a lot of Clinching in that fight because the fighter knows every time he clinches the Ref will step in

Absolutely right. He is completely responsible and was completely unable able to break the clinch. George is trash. That low cross guard he uses is **** for defending the clinch. He clearly has ZERO knowhow with handling the clinch. It was appalling. And Charlo does a fantastic job in the clip with Lubin. That's a good one.

I'll have to rewatch the fight one more time and think how I would have gone about it. You know, put myself in Kambosos' place (just to see if he CAN actually make some changes). But at the same time, there was one other factor that didn't help, which was the referee because he wouldn't let them try to fight out of it. He would immediately break them up. So where Charlo was able to get his left elbow inside, on Lubin's right shoulder (create that wedge), you can do that but eventually you're going to get tied up. Maybe you can fight out of it at that point, but the referee would separate them immediately. That created a huge disadvantage for Kambosos because he's the one that has to collapse the pocket. You do all this work to get in like that, and then the clinch happens. The last thing you need is the referee to break it up immediately and put you right back out there to repeat the whole thing over again, out there to eat more jabs.

You are right however. I can't just blame Haney. Kambosos was completely lost. Didn't have a clue. It was really bad. His jab was terrible. It was just bad all around. It makes me wonder about his coach or what the hell was going on in camp.

Maybe I'm critical of Haney because I know that Haney's the better boxer, so in my mind I just didn't think that tactic was needed. You known what I mean? If Haney could box circles around him normally, keep distance that way, then why clinch so much? It's like War Room said: "Haney was fighting Kambosos as if he had a record of 21 KOs in 20 fights."

I get hitting and not getting hit. That's the sweet science. We should all love it. Haney is the superior athlete, so ... I don't know. You want to see Haney using superior footwork, with slips, rolls and parries, not HUGS. I had an issue with Haney hugging like he had been with Linares because, as you see in my gif, this wasn't like what we're used to with Floyd or Hopkins where there'd be some offense associated with the hug. This was just running tackles. It's really hard to defend against the clinch every five to ten seconds, especially when these are lunging hugs. Linares got it figured out later on but even then he would get caught up, like you see in that gif, which is from the twelfth round.

Anyway, in sum, I agree with a lot of what you're saying. Interestingly, some of the best guys right now fighting on the inside and breaking the clinch are Errol Spence (fantastic!!), Canelo, Inoue, Roman Chocolatito (fantastic!!) and Lomachenko (fantastic!!!). What was such a problem for Kambosos wouldn't be an issue at all for Loma. He turns that **** into weapons. So I hope that we get that fight next. I think Haney needs to be pushed out of his comfort zone if we want to see an entertaining fight. The more I turn it over in my head, the more I think Loma can beat Haney, so long as he fights him next. I think Loma has a year, maybe two more years, before he hangs them up. So we have two, maybe three more fights with him. Let's hope George steps aside because there's no evidence that he can change things around in several months.