Lara, Who Schooled Canelo Alvarez, Wants A Second Fight

[CubanGuyNYC]

It's like ring generalship doesn't count anymore

How much do you think ring generalship counts for? The lion’s share of scoring — by far — goes to punches landed. That’s pretty much it. The only time the other scoring criteria come into play is when the exchange of blows is approximately the same. That’s the way it works in the real world. That’s a fact.

[Madison Boxing]

i would say fight wont happen as lara is coming up to 40 but that wouldnt stop canelo, far from it. as to who wins, im not sure, lara edged it the first time round imo but depends how much he has left at 40 and the mental state of canelo after getting embarrassed in front of the whole world against bivol. he might be completely broken mentally.

[STREET CLEANER]

Only here a close fight is a schooling. Lara ran and gave the fight away, embarrassing annoying fight if you ask me.

[War Room]

Oh look, I don't think he can actually make 160, I was just calling out the hypocrisy of people who said he was way too small for 175 and a tiny 168 pounder. Ok, so if he's really a MW then fight Lara at MW.

Glad you agree that it was an easy win for Lara, being mobile is a positive if the other fighter's aggression is ineffective.

Also are you sure you scored round 2 for canelo? I don't think he landed a single clean punch that round. My card was the same as yours except I gave 2 to Lara.

Let me be clear, I don't think it was an easy win, even a solid 115-113 isn't easy. It was a hard fight, but I had him clearly winning. I'm going to go back and watch round 2 again right now, one sec --->

• OK so 2:28 Canelo lands a right hand that sends Lara off balance and holding the ropes for balance. Instant replay later shows that shot was blocked but knocked Lara off balance. The replay tried saying foot tangle, but that footise was before the exchange so no dice.
• 2:19 Clenny lands a right hook.
• Clenny lands a power jab around 2:14.
• Lara lands a clean 1-2 at 2:09, clean but no power effect ---> Canelo charges forward.
• Lara lands a flicking jab at 2:07.
• 1:55 Canelo lands left hook body shot, Lara comes back with a combo, only the left hook lands palm open so no score there.
• They go a bit back and forth ---> around 1:30 there is an exchange I edge to Canelo
• A little more back and forth, all even, Canelo combo's lands a good body shot around 1:03.
• Can't tell if Canelo lands that right hand at :58.
• Some more even back and forth.
• Lara lands a nice straight left at :17 and a flicking jab right after. Decent power and clean, Canelo changes his attack, becomes cautious.
• Canelo appears to land a right hand at :08.
• Canelo lands a nice left hook to the body at :07.

When I first watched it, I didn't see the slow motion replay inbetween the rounds and thought that right hand at 2:28 landed.

After seeing round 2 again ---> Lara did land the cleaner shots.

I'm still leaning towards Canelo on effective aggression, imo he did enough to edge it on hustle and landing volume ---> but I wouldn't argue with someone if they wanted to score it for Lara. The 1-2 at 2:09 and straight left at :17 from Lara were extremely clean,

[War Room]

The lion’s share of scoring — by far — goes to punches landed. That’s pretty much it. The only time the other scoring criteria come into play is when the exchange of blows is approximately the same. That’s the way it works in the real world. That’s a fact.

In the amateurs you're right, but in the pro's ---> power reigns supreme. You can landed little shots all round, but if I rock you and you're stepping in potholes on ***** street with 5 seconds left, the round goes to me. Power puts fighters down. That's a fact.

[Oracle01]

Only here a close fight is a schooling. Lara ran and gave the fight away, embarrassing annoying fight if you ask me.

Ye im not a canelo fan but i watched the fight recently and no way did lara win, he did fk all and ran most of the fight. Sad thing is that he had the tools to beat canelo easily if he had some balls.

[CubanGuyNYC]

In the amateurs you're right, but in the pro's ---> power reigns supreme. You can landed little shots all round, but if I rock you and you're stepping in potholes on ***** street with 5 seconds left, the round goes to me. Power puts fighters down. That's a fact.

It’s not that simple, but you’re on the right track. Does one good shot equal 20 jabs? Not so sure about that. Of course, that’s why there are judges and why they don’t always see things the same way. Scoring is subjective. But the first thing is punches landed — that’s where scoring starts. The quality of the punches is the next consideration. Judging is about weighing various factors.

[TernceBudCharlo]

Let me be clear, I don't think it was an easy win, even a solid 115-113 isn't easy. It was a hard fight, but I had him clearly winning. I'm going to go back and watch round 2 again right now, one sec --->

• OK so 2:28 Canelo lands a right hand that sends Lara off balance and holding the ropes for balance. Instant replay later shows that shot was blocked but knocked Lara off balance. The replay tried saying foot tangle, but that footise was before the exchange so no dice.
• 2:19 Clenny lands a right hook.
• Clenny lands a power jab around 2:14.
• Lara lands a clean 1-2 at 2:09, clean but no power effect ---> Canelo charges forward.
• Lara lands a flicking jab at 2:07.
• 1:55 Canelo lands left hook body shot, Lara comes back with a combo, only the left hook lands palm open so no score there.
• They go a bit back and forth ---> around 1:30 there is an exchange I edge to Canelo
• A little more back and forth, all even, Canelo combo's lands a good body shot around 1:03.
• Can't tell if Canelo lands that right hand at :58.
• Some more even back and forth.
• Lara lands a nice straight left at :17 and a flicking jab right after. Decent power and clean, Canelo changes his attack, becomes cautious.
• Canelo appears to land a right hand at :08.
• Canelo lands a nice left hook to the body at :07.

When I first watched it, I didn't see the slow motion replay inbetween the rounds and thought that right hand at 2:28 landed.

After seeing round 2 again ---> Lara did land the cleaner shots.

I'm still leaning towards Canelo on effective aggression, imo he did enough to edge it on hustle and landing volume ---> but I wouldn't argue with someone if they wanted to score it for Lara. The 1-2 at 2:09 and straight left at :17 from Lara were extremely clean,

Thank you for actually being a real man and taking me up on the challenge. Nobody else did, instead they respond with hateful rhetoric.

The bottom line to all the haters is that no, I don't think I'm smarter that everyone else. This is FACT though. FACT and you can't run or duck it. You CANT watch a fight one time, say your score was correct, and be so stubborn to think you're 100% right. Especially when you have a fight like canelo lara where canelo's crowd was oohing and ahing at every punch and so many punches made contact w Lara's arms, but it's hard to see the first time around. You need to be man enough to watch the fight carefully again to see if you're wrong. Period.

If you watch this fight again you'd see that Lara's punches were always much much cleaner period. But that's hard to see in regular speed with the crowd cheering, yet these DECAFS refuse to watch the fight again. We know what time it is.

This is why so many scored it for canelo the first time around. We all make mistakes. IT's the same as Pac Bradley 1, first view the fight seemed one sided but when you watch it again you'll see many of Manny's punches were not clean.

[TernceBudCharlo]

How much do you think ring generalship counts for? The lion’s share of scoring — by far — goes to punches landed. That’s pretty much it. The only time the other scoring criteria come into play is when the exchange of blows is approximately the same. That’s the way it works in the real world. That’s a fact.

Bro I really really encourage you to watch the fight again. It's about clean punches landed. If clean punches are even then you go to ring generalship.

I really encourage you to watch the fight against and you'll see hardly any of canelo's shots landed clean but all Lara's did.

[War Room]

It’s not that simple, but you’re on the right track. Does one good shot equal 20 jabs? Not so sure about that. Of course, that’s why there are judges and why they don’t always see things the same way. Scoring is subjective. But the first thing is punches landed — that’s where scoring starts. The quality of the punches is the next consideration. Judging is about weighing various factors.

It is that simple.

Does one good shot equal 20 jabs?

First thing you need to do is define good. If that good shot drops you then yes that good shot gets you a point. if that shot breaks your nose and you're stepping in potholes barely standing up, then yes that shot is more than equal. If you're not so sure about it, YDKSAB.

Depends on the jab. Flicking jabs ---> no, power jabs ---> yes!

Aaron Davis jabs Mark Breland, different story ---> why? Power!

Que'd up for ya --->

Power reigns supreme thats why a knockdown gets you a point.

Scoring is objective, there is a criterion to scoring.

1. Power
2. Clean Punching
3. Effective Aggressiveness
4. Ring Generalship
5. Defense

There is a video out there which I've lost years ago; an interview with Jerry Roth, where he has a discussion about scoring power and why it's always the #1 scoring criteria.

The reason why judges don't see it the same is because of corruption or lack of ability. There is one way to score a fight and there is nothing you can do to change that. Don't believe the hype!

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