Do Resumes.....

[BodyBagz]

.....have a place in boxing ?

As far as I can tell, we all know what defines a bum

I ask for resumes and I get called a troll or asked why I'm asking. More energy is put into not posting a resume than to actually post it.
If boxer A is going to be bashed due to being a ''cherry picker'', let's see what a legit boxer been up to.
Let's see if that boxer has any cherries.

Or are resumes the same as scoring, completely subjective ?

[Nash out]

.....have a place in boxing ?

As far as I can tell, we all know what defines a bum

I ask for resumes and I get called a troll or asked why I'm asking. More energy is put into not posting a resume than to actually post it.
If boxer A is going to be bashed due to being a ''cherry picker'', let's see what a legit boxer been up to.
Let's see if that boxer has any cherries.

Or are resumes the same as scoring, completely subjective ?

it's always going to be subjective to an extent. One thing Nash will say though is that, say if somebody beats a 25-0 guy today, and the bookies know the 25-0 guy has just been beating cab drivers and is 50-1 to win, and the fave wins easy as expected, that win gets no credit at all and is called a waste of time and a cherry pick, but that same win, from days gone by, look on boxrec, check out the guys record, wow! What a win. That's a key reason why olden day fighters' records are rated higher, because their wins over padded nobodies get major credit. Back in the day Julio Cesar Chavez Sr. was taking the cab to the fight venue, then pulling the driver out, putting some gloves on him, and forcing him into the ring. Charlie Zelenoff could have went 90-0 doing that. Nash out. Dr. Boxing.

[Rockybigblower]

All I know is this. Until a fighter gets beaten...I don't call them a bum. If they get beaten...I determine the manner in which they get beaten...I.e....who the opponent was closeness of the match etc before I call them a bum. Then after all that...I don't call fighters bums. Anyone who steps into the ring gains my respect. Not everyone has the temperament to do it. Boxing training is hard if you have the desire to be a champion. Not everyone can succeed...but the fact that someone is willing to try leaves me no room for judgement.

[BodyBagz]

it's always going to be subjective to an extent. One thing Nash will say though is that, say if somebody beats a 25-0 guy today, and the bookies know the 25-0 guy has just been beating cab drivers and is 50-1 to win, and the fave wins easy as expected, that win gets no credit at all and is called a waste of time and a cherry pick, but that same win, from days gone by, look on boxrec, check out the guys record, wow! What a win. That's a key reason why olden day fighters' records are rated higher, because their wins over padded nobodies get major credit. Back in the day Julio Cesar Chavez Sr. was taking the cab to the fight venue, then pulling the drive out, putting some gloves on him, and forcing him into the ring. Charlie Zelenoff could have went 90-0 doing that. Nash out. Dr. Boxing.

True

Stacking up easy wins looks impressive on paper, but if a person is a fan of the sport, they will see WHO it was the superhero was beating.

Those guy who fought in the golden age of boxing (the slop era) get credit for having fought 4x a month as opposed to these present day prima donnas who only fight 4x a year max

Talk about fighting cab drivers, bartenders and bookkeepers
Those guys with 100+ wins get so much love

The Nash is always right

[Nash out]

True

Stacking up easy wins looks impressive on paper, but if a person is a fan of the sport, they will see WHO it was the superhero was beating.

Those guy who fought in the golden age of boxing (the slop era) get credit for having fought 4x a month as opposed to these present day prima donnas who only fight 4x a year max

Talk about fighting cab drivers, bartenders and bookkeepers
Those guys with 100+ wins get so much love

The Nash is always right

The Great Nash did not start calling themselves Dr. Boxing on occasion for nothing, the Great BodyBagz.

[QueensburyRules]

.....have a place in boxing ?

- - If U can get U minder to 'splain a fighter resume at least 10x so U could understand it.

[BodyBagz]

All I know is this. Until a fighter gets beaten...I don't call them a bum. If they get beaten...I determine the manner in which they get beaten...I.e....who the opponent was closeness of the match etc before I call them a bum. Then after all that...I don't call fighters bums. Anyone who steps into the ring gains my respect. Not everyone has the temperament to do it. Boxing training is hard if you have the desire to be a champion. Not everyone can succeed...but the fact that someone is willing to try leaves me no room for judgement.

For me, there are stages

1st 10-15 fights should be ''easy''. That's why boxing itself gradually steps up rds. Novice level until proven otherwise.

If after say 10 fights, a guy has a laughable record (less than 3 wins, most losses by KO)...he qualifies as a bum.

Another stage is the hype stage

After destroying those gimme fighters, hype job crashes the moment he steps up. Only to returns to his winning ways until he steps up again. I also consider a failed hype job to be a bum despite his fabricated w/l record.

Then you have guys in the final stage...proven

I don't mean picking at the carcass of what used to be a legit fighter (Rocky vs Louis or Pac vs DLH).
Actually (not theoretically) stepping into the ring with someone who has a similar strength of resume and is prime or close.
Beating those types of fighters is where it's at.

Testing yourself (AKA chasing greatness) is an added bonus, even in losing.
No one fights only the top guys.
For one, promoters do a lot to muddy the waters.
Then we have the financial aspect.
Then timing.

Nelo is bashed because he was not born close enough to when GGG was born. Figure that one out.

[BodyBagz]

The Great Nash did not start calling themselves Dr. Boxing on occasion for nothing, the Great BodyBagz.

Why can't fight fans be as logical as TGN ?

TGN > TBE

[Citizen Koba]

Is this thread something to do with Canelo and Golovkin again? You're obsessed man.

Canelos an example of a very good fighter who got lots of opportunities and financial backing and got them early, Golovkin's an example of a very good fighter who got far fewer opportunities and got them later in his career. Your approach to risk is always gonna look different when your generational wealth and future paydays are assured by your mid 20s than it will when when your first $ million payday doesn't come until you're 32 or 33 and the end of your earning potential is looming. And that's not to mention that big names ain't gonna fight you unless they get paid. Two completely different careers and career trajectories with completely different circumstances.

So yes indeed, resumes do have a place in boxing - certainly despite the fact that they're of a similar level in terms of ability Canelo will - and should - rank in the all time lists whereas Golovkin probably won't (except as a MW) - but like everything else in this life context is also important.

[Kzbox]

Is this thread something to do with Canelo and Golovkin again? You're obsessed man.

Canelos an example of a very good fighter who got lots of opportunities and financial backing and got them early, Golovkin's an example of a very good fighter who got far fewer opportunities and got them later in his career. Your approach to risk is always gonna look different when your generational wealth and future paydays are assured by your mid 20s than it will when when your first $ million payday doesn't come until you're 32 or 33 and the end of your earning potential is looming. And that's not to mention that big names ain't gonna fight you unless they get paid. Two completely different careers and career trajectories with completely different circumstances.

So yes indeed, resumes do have a place in boxing - certainly despite the fact that they're of a similar level in terms of ability Canelo will - and should - rank in the all time lists whereas Golovkin probably won't (except as a MW) - but like everything else in this life context is also important.

People should really just ignore this guy honestly one of the biggest trolls on this forum. Says nothing but negative **** all day everyday about every fighter, I don’t even think he’s a boxing fan just a fan of Wilder, after he got his ass kicked he took him out of his avatar/sig and does nothing but hang around the forum slagging off Fury and every other fighter. Get a life BodyBags you lame sad guy.