Does outlanding your opponent means you won a fight???

[daggum]

calzaghe landing 220 punches against hopkins lol unbelievable. compubox has no credibility you just gotta count for yourself(if you wanna find out the truth) calzaghe fanatics hint hint.....

[Dynamite Kid]

How do you guys view a scorecard when you see a compubox scorecard??? Do you feel a fighter who outland his opponent should get a decision if the fight goes 12 rounds??

No its not that simple imo.

For a start compubox is not be that accurate imo.

Also a fight should be scored on who is more the effective on a round to round basis, if you are being active but throwing arms punches and getting nailed with the cleaner harder shots throughout the round you are probably going to lose the round regardless whether your attack is more sustained.

[Dynamite Kid]

Thats my exact understanding of the way a scorecard should be, I was on youtube last night and was watching the Cotto/Clottey fight and the comments were Cotto was gifted a decision and that the compubox total number of punches landed proves that.

I said if a fighter lands alot of punches in 1 or 2 rounds it only mean he won that round not the fight.


automatically think clottey won why???[/B]

This is the problem with the 10 point must system it does not reward a fighter for winning rounds big as apose to just winning the round, unless you score a Knockdown.

You can watch a fight and get a perception that one guy won because he won the rounds he!! won big where as the other guy won the rounds he won narrowly but when you tot up your scorecard the other guy might have accumulated more rounds albeit not as dominantly won those rounds. There is generally always a winner and a loser to a round no matter how decisive you win it.

Cotto vs Clottey, Tarver v Jones 1 are perfect examples of this. Clottey looked like he had won that fight but we know the Knockdown and him dropping off the last 2/3 round cost him the fight, although you would have to say he did LOOK!! like the more effective fighter in the fight when the fight ended.

People tell me Tua lost to Ibeabuchi and i disagree. Ibeabuchi threw and landed more punches than Tua by compubox count, not by a huge margin, but the point i always make is that Ibeabuchi threw **** loads of punches in the rounds he won and that is why he was tired in the second half of the fight and why Tua had success in the second half of the fight and came back into it.

[Ray*]

This is the problem with the 10 point must system it does not reward a fighter for winning rounds big as apose to just winning the round, unless you score a Knockdown.

You can watch a fight and get a perception that one guy won because he won the rounds he!! won big where as the other guy won the rounds he won narrowly but when you tot up your scorecard the other guy might have accumulated more rounds albeit not as dominantly won those rounds. There is generally always a winner and a loser to a round no matter how decisive you win it.

Cotto vs Clottey, Tarver v Jones 1 are perfect examples of this. Clottey looked like he had won that fight but we know the Knockdown and him dropping off the last 2/3 round cost him the fight, although you would have to say he did LOOK!! like the more effective fighter in the fight when the fight ended.

People tell me Tua lost to Ibeabuchi and i disagree. Ibeabuchi threw and landed more punches than Tua by compubox count, not by a huge margin, but the point i always make is that Ibeabuchi threw **** loads of punches in the rounds he won and that is why he was tired in the second half of the fight and why Tua had success in the second half of the fight and came back into it.

This fight is also a great example, I also thought Tua won because he was consistent throughout the fight, Ike look impressive when he lets his hands go and he does make it look great but he land most of his punches in a few round which makes him a clear winner in rounds that i scored for him but Tua won more round for me even though he didnt win his round with a larger margin...If you get my drift.

[Dynamite Kid]

This fight is also a great example, I also thought Tua won because he was consistent throughout the fight, Ike look impressive when he lets his hands go and he does make it look great but he land most of his punches in a few round which makes him a clear winner in rounds that i scored for him but Tua won more round for me even though he didnt win his round with a larger margin...If you get my drift.

Thats exactly i saw it to. Ibeabuchi shot his bolt.

[TxHustla]

Nah, a fighter could land 100 punches each round for 3 rounds. Then the other fighter outlands them in the other 9 rounds but still landed less punches overall.

exactly! Total punches at the end dont mean u win.

[RRICAN]

Thats my exact understanding of the way a scorecard should be, I was on youtube last night and was watching the Cotto/Clottey fight and the comments were Cotto was gifted a decision and that the compubox total number of punches landed proves that.

I said if a fighter lands alot of punches in 1 or 2 rounds it only mean he won that round not the fight.




At 5.48 of this video it shows Clottey outland cotto 222>179 and people automatically think clottey won why???

cuz them fools dont know **** about boxing!!!!!

[oc9979]

I think the teddy atlas system is very good.

[Iceta]

If there is a big percentage to go with it, it holds a lot of weight. Mosley landed 50% of his power punches on Cotto as was mentioned on another thread, which is why he got ripped off in my view. The Dawson-Johnson fight is another fight that would've probably shown a landslide advantage in punches connected in Glen's favor because almost 40% of the shots that Dawson threw were blocked.

[Ch@mpBox@PR]

How do you guys view a scorecard when you see a compubox scorecard??? Do you feel a fighter who outland his opponent should get a decision if the fight goes 12 rounds??

Compubox is not a reliable source, first because there numebrs are always wrong.

Second if they were accurate, final compubox numbers dont say teh whole story. You could outland your oponet in round 1, 25-to 19, then you outlands him 38-21 in the second, but then he outlands you 68-12 in teh third.
He will end up landing 108 punches to your 75, but rounds wise you won 2-1, so you won the fight!!!

Plus teh fact that you have to count, Clean Punching, Effective agressiveness, Ing generalship and defense!!!!!