What Does Canelo Do Better Than Bivol?

[ReggieKray]

Canelo has better head movement, power, body work, fainting, counter punching, ring generalship, and way more experience fighting at the highest level.

Bivol's best opponent was Salamov. If you watch that fight you'll see Salamov had success and he is no where at the level of Canelo. Obviously Salamov had physical advantages over Bivol and Canelo, but don't think it will make much difference. Salamov showed good head movement, over hand rights, left hooks, and standing toe to toe can work against Bivol. What Bivol hasn't had is someone like Canelo hitting him cleaning and getting counter. Bivol will have to adjust when he feels Canelo's pop and we'll have to wait and see what he does. Depending on the fight Canelo plans to give Bivol, Bivol might be missing more than he usually does.

Lastley, Joe Smith and Pascal were both garbage that made look Bivol look like a God, but we all know that doesn't count for much.

[BodyBagz]

Thank you for clarifying the Pac reference. Funny. He may be a top 30 all-timer.

I think we may be talking past each other a bit. Holyfield was probably juiced when he fought a probably clean Foreman, but we can never know for sure. I know A-Rod juiced, but I can only assume Sammy Sosa did.

We as fans have 2 options -
Common sense) If it looks fcked up; muscles overnight, inflated stats/power prior to tests = roids. If all of that good shlt is gone after getting busted or if an athlete staright up refuses to be tested = roids.
Facts) Tests results. I don't care about common sense IF tests results are available. Facts top all. We may not like the results but it beats guesswork everyday.

The thing with MLB, and most sports, you can't inject yourself with talent. For every juiced A Rod, who was a statistical beast from day 1, there are 100's of little known juiced players who barely made a dent in the sport.

[Quercusalba]

Canelo has better head movement, power, body work, fienting, counter punching, ring generalship, and way more experience fighting at the highest level.

Bivol's best opponent was Salamov. If you watch that fight you'll see Salamov had success and he is no where at the level of Canelo. Obviously Salamov had physical advantages over Bivol and Canelo, but don't think it will make much difference. Salamov showed good head movement, over hand rights, left hooks, and standing toe to toe can work against Bivol. What Bivol hasn't had is someone like Canelo hitting him cleaning and getting counter. Bivol will have to adjust when he feels Canelo's pop and we'll have to wait and see what he does. Depending on the fight Canelo plans to give Bivol, Bivol might be missing more than he usually does.

Lastley, Joe Smith and Pascal were both garbage that made look Bivol look like a God, but we all know that doesn't count for much.

You've made some points as you see them, but Joe Smith isn't garbage. In fact, he is very far from it.

Canelo's power is somewhat confusing. He didn't stop everyone at 154, 160, or 168. His power isn't actually overwhelming. It is more timing and accuracy with his shots that is. Bivol will prove trickier to time than Plant, for example, I think.

[GrandpaBernard]

You've made some points as you see them, but Joe Smith isn't garbage. In fact, he is very far from it.

Canelo's power is somewhat confusing. He didn't stop everyone at 154, 160, or 168. His power isn't actually overwhelming. It is more timing and accuracy with his shots that is. Bivol will prove trickier to time than Plant, for example, I think.

Alvarez loves to pick his shots like Mayweather

They would have stopped more guys had they thrown more

[Quercusalba]

We as fans have 2 options -
Common sense) If it looks fcked up; muscles overnight, inflated stats/power prior to tests = roids. If all of that good shlt is gone after getting busted or if an athlete staright up refuses to be tested = roids.
Facts) Tests results. I don't care about common sense IF tests results are available. Facts top all. We may not like the results but it beats guesswork everyday.

The thing with MLB, and most sports, you can't inject yourself with talent. For every juiced A Rod, who was a statistical beast from day 1, there are 100's of little known juiced players who barely made a dent in the sport.

But if you have natural talent and 'warning track' power and then suddenly pack on 30 lbs muscle, you now have home run power. A Rod never needed to juice. His swing and natural ability would have carried him to the HOF. Sammy Sosa would have been an 'also ran' without the juice. It does make a difference sometimes.

[ReggieKray]

You've made some points as you see them, but Joe Smith isn't garbage. In fact, he is very far from it.

Canelo's power is somewhat confusing. He didn't stop everyone at 154, 160, or 168. His power isn't actually overwhelming. It is more timing and accuracy with his shots that is. Bivol will prove trickier to time than Plant, for example, I think.

Have you seen him fight... Zero skill..just sloppy and relies on his power. That's why Bivol had an easy time with him and any high level opponent will do the same.

[BodyBagz]

But if you have natural talent and 'warning track' power and then suddenly pack on 30 lbs muscle, you now have home run power. A Rod never needed to juice. His swing and natural ability would have carried him to the HOF. Sammy Sosa would have been an 'also ran' without the juice. It does make a difference sometimes.

Greed ($$$$) and ego (breaking records) made these guys (A Rod, Bonds, Clemens...the Big 3) want to juice. They didn't have to but they did.
I'm not aware of a drug that increases hand/eye coordination or dexterity. The Roid era was the most profitable era in MLB history. People want to say 100 year old records are getting beaten, well records are meant to get broken. HR's are sexy but legit players have more than 1 tool.

As for Nelo....he was ''guilty'', for the sake of argument. If we take that approach when he's caught, why can't we continue letting the tester do their job and we accept their findings ? That's a gripe I have when people constantly bring up clen and ignore all future tests results. Is there anyone who is tested more than Clenelo ?

''Once a cheater, always a cheater'' is their mantra.

I would have loved to have seen GGG leading the way, instead of playing catch up. To see just how good he really was.