Fury-Whyte: the objective facts

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Fury’s 9 best opponents:

Wlad: UD
Wilder 2: TKO7
Wilder 1: SD
Wilder 3: KO11
Wallin: UD
Cunningham: KO7
Chisora 2: RET10
Chisora 1: UD
Hammer: RET8

Whyte’s 9 best opponents:

AJ: gets KO’d in 7
Parker: UD
Chisora 1: SD
Chisora 2: KO11
Rivas: UD
Povetkin 1: gets KO’d in 5
Wach: UD
Helenius: UD
Allen: UD

Whyte has an 11% KO ratio and 0 KO’s inside the first 31 minutes and 55 seconds: he rarely manages to make his power count against far lower level opposition than Fury, who is a huge 1/6 (85.7%) favourite. Whyte scored KD’s against headbutt-concussed Parker, shopworn Chisora and two against shot 41 year old Povetkin but he was knocked down four times (AJ, Parker, Rivas, Povetkin 1) in the process.

Whyte will be 34 to Fury’s 33.66 with no activity advantage: Fury will have fought once in 26 months (last time 6.5 months prior) for 10 full rounds against Wilder, whereas Whyte will have fought twice in 28.5 months (last time 13 months prior) for 4 and 3 full rounds against shot Povetkin and Whyte very likely carries more wear and tear from sparring wars. Whyte has exhibited cowardice in his dealings on many occasions (most recently by calling for a shot Povetkin trilogy, calling out Jermaine “10 rounds with Pavel Sour” Franklin, 40.5 year old injury prone Arreola, backing out of the Wallin fight and being willing to step aside for less money for Fury to fight Usyk) and his confidence will be lower than usual, just one fight removed from his 2nd brutal KO loss (one-punched by an old, shot Russian former contender). To make matters even worse for Whyte, he will have just under 3 months to prepare for Fury, will only receive 18% of the split (if he doesn’t win, which he’s not likely to) and Fury is the A-side.

Fury and Whyte both know that Whyte can’t outbox Fury so Whyte’s gameplan is more predictable. Fury and Whyte were sparring partners years ago, which favours Fury due to his higher boxing IQ and in reducing the unknown/random element of a new opponent (in a similar vein, Fury has performed better in rematches than Whyte). The fact that Povetkin KO’d Whyte faster than AJ may be a restraining factor for Fury’s aggression, as is the fact that Fury got knocked down twice in his last fight and Whyte, Whyte’s trainer and promoter are clearly worried about Fury using his movement and boxing on the outside, which they hope he’s no longer able to do effectively. It’s likely though that Whyte’s reputation for having a glass chin and Sugar Hill’s influence will make Fury want to go for the KO at some stage.

Whyte isn’t anywhere near as easy to underestimate as a fighter like pre-AJ Ruiz because Whyte is very antagonistic, is from a nation that is prominent in heavyweight boxing, has some height, arm length, KO power, decent names on his record and isn’t morbidly obese. Fury may be more motivated than usual in a UK homecoming against a “domestic rival”, he understands that a loss to Povetkin’s grandson would be an absolute disgrace which would also delay or prevent the Fury-Usyk/AJ undisputed fight and it will be the highest level and highest profile fight of Whyte’s career by a wide margin (where he will be the B-side and underdog for only the second time in his 30 fight pro career) increasing pressure on Whyte, while it won’t even be in the top 4 for Fury. Another motivating factor for Fury is the fact that Whyte is AJ’s 3rd best win, so if Fury schools and batters Whyte he again exposes Matchroom’s hype of their top two heavyweights and further undermines AJ’s reputation, as well as Hearn’s position.

If Fury fights Whyte as he did Chisora in the rematch (who in terms of anthropometrics and level is very similar to Whyte, as proven by their 23 very close and competitive rounds together, giving Fury a considerable experience advantage stylistically) Whyte will be little more than a heavy bag on legs, which is why Whyte has been protected from movers and southpaws for his entire career (Whyte’s fastest opponent was Joseph Parker, who is not especially nimble or fleet of foot and Whyte struggled badly). Whyte also hasn’t looked his best against longer opponents (AJ, Helenius, Wach) and Fury is longer than all of them.

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In summary, Gypsy King kicks fat Whyte's a$$.

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Parker and Rivas has never been stopped and knocking out Wilder twice doesn’t mean much it just means he probably should have been stopped 3 times instead of 2 ,he almost was in the last one in the first fight wobbled badly .

Parker ,Wach and Chisora are not easy opponents to stop . Helenius on record has a win over Chisora not sure why that’s relevant either . A.J also defeated Klitschko who is better then Wilder you are reaching using other opponents.

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Parker and Rivas has never been stopped and knocking out Wilder twice doesn’t mean much it just means he probably should have been stopped 3 times instead of 2 ,he almost was in the last one in the first fight wobbled badly .

Parker ,Wach and Chisora are not easy opponents to stop . Helenius on record has a win over Chisora not sure why that’s relevant either . A.J also defeated Klitschko who is better then Wilder you are reaching using other opponents.

Your reply is very incoherent. For a start, you say that Parker and Rivas have never been stopped (true) but then say that stopping Wilder "doesn't mean much", even though Wilder had never been stopped either. Taking Fury and Whyte out of the equation, Wilder has still fought more dangerous opposition than Parker and vastly more dangerous opposition than Rivas, so the fact that Wilder had never been stopped proved a lot about his toughness/heart/defence etc.


A post-Whyte Dave Allen got stopped by Ortiz in 7, Yoka in 10 and David Price after 10

A pre-Whyte Helenius got KO'd by Duhaupas in 6 and a post-Whyte Helenius got KO'd by Washington in 8

A pre-Whyte Wach got stopped by Bakole in 8 and a post-Whyte Wach got dropped and stopped by Makhmudov in 6

Short bridgerweight Rivas has fought one other opponent of note in his career: relatively light puncher Jennings, so we don't know how tough he is

Chisora is a tough fighter but far less shopworn versions were dropped multiple times and stopped by Haye in 5 and retired by Fury in 10

Parker is a tough fighter but he has since been dropped inside the first 10 seconds of a fight by Chisora


If Whyte was a prolific puncher with his aggressive style, he would be stopping at least half of these guys.


AJ defeated a 17 month older, 17 month inactive, schooled in his last fight, winless in 2 years, away from home Wlad in a life and death war. AJ went on to get battered and quit against a short light punching fat pig Ruiz and get schooled at home by light punching cruiserweight Usyk. He will probably lose the rematch to Usyk as well. So considering all of these things, AJ can't definitively be rated above Wilder at this point.

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Your reply is very incoherent. For a start, you say that Parker and Rivas have never been stopped (true) but then say that stopping Wilder "doesn't mean much", even though Wilder had never been stopped either. Taking Fury and Whyte out of the equation, Wilder has still fought more dangerous opposition than Parker and vastly more dangerous opposition than Rivas, so the fact that Wilder had never been stopped proved a lot about his toughness/heart/defence etc.


A post-Whyte Dave Allen got stopped by Ortiz in 7, Yoka in 10 and David Price after 10

A pre-Whyte Helenius got KO'd by Duhaupas in 6 and a post-Whyte Helenius got KO'd by Washington in 8

A pre-Whyte Wach got stopped by Bakole in 8 and a post-Whyte Wach got dropped and stopped by Makhmudov in 6

Short bridgerweight Rivas has fought one other opponent of note in his career: relatively light puncher Jennings, so we don't know how tough he is

Chisora is a tough fighter but far less shopworn versions were dropped multiple times and stopped by Haye in 5 and retired by Fury in 10

Parker is a tough fighter but he has since been dropped inside the first 10 seconds of a fight by Chisora


If Whyte was a prolific puncher with his aggressive style, he would be stopping at least half of these guys.


AJ defeated a 17 month older, 17 month inactive, schooled in his last fight, winless in 2 years, away from home Wlad in a life and death war. AJ went on to get battered and quit against a short light punching fat pig Ruiz and get schooled at home by light punching cruiserweight Usyk. He will probably lose the rematch to Usyk as well. So considering all of these things, AJ can't definitively be rated above Wilder at this point.

Fury already stopped Wilder twice so no it really doesn’t . You’re using semantics to try and seem like Furys resume is better then Whytes . Overall it’s really not . Whyte has fought harder fights back to back for the most part . He’s taking on the more notable proven durable guys . Wilder and Ortiz have not fought real power punchers outside each other between them believe it or not Breazeale is the stand out in that department .

Who has Fury stopped ? The answer is Wilder ,how does that make it as though Whyte should stop the guys he’s fought ? Wilder has fought the weakest opponents fir any heavyweight champion in at least the last 3 decades . Fury’s only real title defense is Wilder and that doesn’t even say anything because no one wanted a third fight over the undisputed outside Wilder fans .

Whyte was 30 pounds overweight for Wach and won just about every round , Fury got his face busted up against a 20 fight prospect and stunned in the last round as a last punch rememberance going back to the corner as the fight ended knowing he narrowly escaped a possible nightmare of a cherry pick gone wrong and Wallin hasn’t looked very good since besides an O.K performance against Breazeale who Wilder belted fast so what does that say about Fury ,we’re comparing opponents right ?


Cunningham was coming off a loss as well before he fought Fury in a Cruiserweight bout .


Chisora should have defeated Parker in the first fight there’s no fight recently that shows he’s shop worn ,what fight ?


See what you guys do is you carefully pick and select certain criteria and compare the things you want and it never adds up . If Chisora is shop worn then what is Furys best win ? It can’t be Klitschko he went the distance with Jennings who Ortiz knocked out ( see what I’m doing here ) then it’s Wilder and Wilder is just 3 years younger then Povetkin who is Whytes second best . You even said Klitschko was inactive but decide not to say he had postponed the A.J fight in 2016 he was far from inactive.


Only solid points you made were Whyte inactivity which is the most important. It should make him slow down in the early rounds until he gets into rhythm so that’s important and definitely could help Fury ,those early rounds are going to tough fir him .

You guys make crazy threads but in reality Whyte is going to be Furys most dangerous opponent he has more weapons then Wilder and throws a large amount of punches unlike Wilder that’s just the facts ,there’s very little objectivity about the thread you started and A.J can’t be rated over Wilder ? That is a real howler .

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Fury’s 9 best opponents:

Wlad: UD
Wilder 2: TKO7
Wilder 1: SD
Wilder 3: KO11
Wallin: UD
Cunningham: KO7
Chisora 2: RET10
Chisora 1: UD
Hammer: RET8

Whyte’s 9 best opponents:

AJ: gets KO’d in 7
Parker: UD
Chisora 1: SD
Chisora 2: KO11
Rivas: UD
Povetkin 1: gets KO’d in 5
Wach: UD
Helenius: UD
Allen: UD

Whyte has an 11% KO ratio and 0 KO’s inside the first 31 minutes and 55 seconds: he rarely manages to make his power count against far lower level opposition than Fury, who is a huge 1/6 (85.7%) favourite. Whyte scored KD’s against headbutt-concussed Parker, shopworn Chisora and two against shot 41 year old Povetkin but he was knocked down four times (AJ, Parker, Rivas, Povetkin 1) in the process.

Whyte will be 34 to Fury’s 33.66 with no activity advantage: Fury will have fought once in 26 months (last time 6.5 months prior) for 10 full rounds against Wilder, whereas Whyte will have fought twice in 28.5 months (last time 13 months prior) for 4 and 3 full rounds against shot Povetkin and Whyte very likely carries more wear and tear from sparring wars. Whyte has exhibited cowardice in his dealings on many occasions (most recently by calling for a shot Povetkin trilogy, calling out Jermaine “10 rounds with Pavel Sour” Franklin, 40.5 year old injury prone Arreola, backing out of the Wallin fight and being willing to step aside for less money for Fury to fight Usyk) and his confidence will be lower than usual, just one fight removed from his 2nd brutal KO loss (one-punched by an old, shot Russian former contender). To make matters even worse for Whyte, he will have just under 3 months to prepare for Fury, will only receive 18% of the split (if he doesn’t win, which he’s not likely to) and Fury is the A-side.

Fury and Whyte both know that Whyte can’t outbox Fury so Whyte’s gameplan is more predictable. Fury and Whyte were sparring partners years ago, which favours Fury due to his higher boxing IQ and in reducing the unknown/random element of a new opponent (in a similar vein, Fury has performed better in rematches than Whyte). The fact that Povetkin KO’d Whyte faster than AJ may be a restraining factor for Fury’s aggression, as is the fact that Fury got knocked down twice in his last fight and Whyte, Whyte’s trainer and promoter are clearly worried about Fury using his movement and boxing on the outside, which they hope he’s no longer able to do effectively. It’s likely though that Whyte’s reputation for having a glass chin and Sugar Hill’s influence will make Fury want to go for the KO at some stage.

Whyte isn’t anywhere near as easy to underestimate as a fighter like pre-AJ Ruiz because Whyte is very antagonistic, is from a nation that is prominent in heavyweight boxing, has some height, arm length, KO power, decent names on his record and isn’t morbidly obese. Fury may be more motivated than usual in a UK homecoming against a “domestic rival”, he understands that a loss to Povetkin’s grandson would be an absolute disgrace which would also delay or prevent the Fury-Usyk/AJ undisputed fight and it will be the highest level and highest profile fight of Whyte’s career by a wide margin (where he will be the B-side and underdog for only the second time in his 30 fight pro career) increasing pressure on Whyte, while it won’t even be in the top 4 for Fury. Another motivating factor for Fury is the fact that Whyte is AJ’s 3rd best win, so if Fury schools and batters Whyte he again exposes Matchroom’s hype of their top two heavyweights and further undermines AJ’s reputation, as well as Hearn’s position.

If Fury fights Whyte as he did Chisora in the rematch (who in terms of anthropometrics and level is very similar to Whyte, as proven by their 23 very close and competitive rounds together, giving Fury a considerable experience advantage stylistically) Whyte will be little more than a heavy bag on legs, which is why Whyte has been protected from movers and southpaws for his entire career (Whyte’s fastest opponent was Joseph Parker, who is not especially nimble or fleet of foot and Whyte struggled badly). Whyte also hasn’t looked his best against longer opponents (AJ, Helenius, Wach) and Fury is longer than all of them.

To be fair to Whyte, it was a wonderful, accurate headbutt that he flattened Parker with. It's a great weapon for him, and I'm surprised he hasn't used it again since. Maybe he's been holding it back for Fury? Nash out.