Difference Between Mexican-American Style VS Full Mexican

[GrandpaBernard]

Is there a difference between the two.

the Oscar wrote in his book that he was discriminated against early on in his career

they targeted him for being a Mexican who practiced the science of boxing

people were expecting the upcoming Mexican star to have a macho style like JCC

[El Más Loco]

There isn't too much of a different....the "schooling" in the guys is basically the same. If you look at all the top Mexican trainers in the United States they are all Mexicans from Mexico (Abel Sanchez & Joel Diaz) that relocated to the US.......or born from parents straight from Mexico (Roberto Garcia). Also if you look at Mexico's top talent over the decades you will see that all of them aren't just striaght up brawlers.
Even guys like Morales, Barrera, and Marquez.....while they love to turn it into a dog fight, they were all above average "boxers" too.

The main difference between Mexicans and Mexican-Americans IMO is Mexicans from Mexico have more heart and "dog" in them. The Mexican-Americans are softer and more pampered by America's amateur system and the Mex-American fans tendency to baby them with their prison politics type of mentality. In Mexico, you have to earn the respect of the people......in the States the fans will go as far es even make excuses why you don't have to fight certain fights.

And if people don't like or believe what im saying all you have to do is look at who produces more top level talent. in the past 35 years Mexico has produced guys like JCC, Erick Morales, Juan Manuel Marquez, Marco Antonio Barrera, Finito Lopez, and more recently Canelo Alvarez and Gallo Estrada. Meanwhile, Mexican-Americans have only been able to produce one ELITE level guy in Oscar de la Hoya.

[Cypocryphy]

Is there a difference between the two.

the Oscar wrote in his book that he was discriminated against early on in his career

they targeted him for being a Mexican who practiced the science of boxing

people were expecting the upcoming Mexican star to have a macho style like JCC

No difference really because you have different trainers focusing on different aspects. Some Mexican fighters are very defensive oriented while others are much more offensively minded. There are many different styles, and it doesn't have anything really to do with one country or the other. I suppose you could say that Mexicans favor pressing and volume punching while Americans favor hitting and not getting hit.

The truth is that fighting is like a person's personality. The way someone fights is very much a part of who they are as a person. Many many variations.

[Boxfan83]

I think every fighter is different. When a fighter tries to be something they arent in effort to apease a certain cultural expectancy, they usually fail.

With that said, I think the Amatuer Programs in the USA and Mexico is what makes a difference. Even though Ive heard Mexicos Amatuer program has improved the USA's is better ran and funded. So Mexicans typically tend to train more of a pro style from an early age vs. Chicanos. Fighting in the Amatuers typically has been (even in the old point system) about a lot of fast and flashy punches. So I think thats where a big difference comes into play.

[GrandpaBernard]

I think every fighter is different. When a fighter tries to be something they arent in effort to apease a certain cultural expectancy, they usually fail.

With that said, I think the Amatuer Programs in the USA and Mexico is what makes a difference. Even though Ive heard Mexicos Amatuer program has improved the USA's is better ran and funded. So Mexicans typically tend to train more of a pro style from an early age vs. Chicanos. Fighting in the Amatuers typically has been (even in the old point system) about a lot of fast and flashy punches. So I think thats where a big difference comes into play.

Vergil Ortiz comes to mind for Mexican-American style

[Boxfan83]

There isn't too much of a different....the "schooling" in the guys is basically the same. If you look at all the top Mexican trainers in the United States they are all Mexicans from Mexico (Abel Sanchez & Joel Diaz) that relocated to the US.......or born from parents straight from Mexico (Roberto Garcia). Also if you look at Mexico's top talent over the decades you will see that all of them aren't just striaght up brawlers.
Even guys like Morales, Barrera, and Marquez.....while they love to turn it into a dog fight, they were all above average "boxers" too.

The main difference between Mexicans and Mexican-Americans IMO is Mexicans from Mexico have more heart and "dog" in them. The Mexican-Americans are softer and more pampered by America's amateur system and the Mex-Americans tendency to baby them with their prison politics type of mentality. In Mexico, you have to earn the respect of the people......in the States the fans will go as far es even make excuses why you don't have to fight certain fights.

And if people don't like or believe what im saying all you have to do is look at who produces more top level talent. in the past 35 years Mexico has produced guys like JCC, Erick Morales, Juan Manuel Marquez, Marco Antonio Barrera, Finito Lopez, and more recently Canelo Alvarez and Gallo Estrada. Meanwhile, Mexican-Americans have only been able to produce one ELITE level guy in Oscar de la Hoya.

Chale Tamale, who you calling soft?

Orlando Canizales never lost at 118 (16 title defenses in 6yrs)
Michael Carbajal Silver Medalist and 1 of the best Light Flyweights.
Robert Guerreo 3/4 division champ
Mikey Garcia 3 Division Champ
Oscar De La Hoya beat Mexicos best fighter ever by stool stoppage.

Theres also some good Chicano prospects, Jesse Rodriguez & Vergil Ortiz. And I really hope Danny Roman gets a shot at the Unified or undisputed titles. I also hope to see Canelo vs Benavidez at 175.

Honorable mentions: (RIP) Chicanito Hernandez & (RIP) Johnny Tapia.

[El Más Loco]

Chale Tamale, who you calling soft?

Orlando Canizales never lost at 118 (16 title defenses in 6yrs)
Michael Carbajal Silver Medalist and 1 of the best Light Flyweights.
Robert Guerreo 3/4 division champ
Mikey Garcia 3 Division Champ
Oscar De La Hoya beat Mexicos best fighter ever by stool stoppage.

Theres also some good Chicano prospects, Jesse Rodriguez & Vergil Ortiz. And I really hope Danny Roman gets a shot at the Unified or undisputed titles. I also hope to see Canelo vs Benavidez at 175.

Honorable mentions: (RIP) Chicanito Hernandez & (RIP) Johnny Tapia.

I never said soft, I said softer......and that's just the truth. Canizales and Carbajal are great fighters but are hardly referred to as Elite/Legends. I forgot about Tapia and I do consider him to have achieved legend status though. In boxing, all legends are great but not all greats are legends. Another case in point is Mikey Garcia....he is a great fighter but will never be considered a legend because he avoided his TWO main contemporary fights that would've solidified him as an ATG in Loma and in-prime Gamboa.....instead fighting a no-hope cash out fight at welterweight. I don't see why you tried to lump Guerrero in there.....i don't know anyone that considers him to be a "great".

Edit: Come to think of it I do think Chicanito gets elite level credit from me. He has several great wins and actaully fought against 2 ATG contemporaries in DLH and Mayweather.

2nd Edit: and also I'm not saying Chicano fighters are soft......because clearly a lot of them aren't, but they do get babied more than raza from Mexico.

[WholeSoul75]

Ponce de Leon vs Rey Bautista. Full Mexican Style?

[GrandpaBernard]

There isn't too much of a different....the "schooling" in the guys is basically the same. If you look at all the top Mexican trainers in the United States they are all Mexicans from Mexico (Abel Sanchez & Joel Diaz) that relocated to the US.......or born from parents straight from Mexico (Roberto Garcia). Also if you look at Mexico's top talent over the decades you will see that all of them aren't just striaght up brawlers.
Even guys like Morales, Barrera, and Marquez.....while they love to turn it into a dog fight, they were all above average "boxers" too.

The main difference between Mexicans and Mexican-Americans IMO is Mexicans from Mexico have more heart and "dog" in them. The Mexican-Americans are softer and more pampered by America's amateur system and the Mex-American fans tendency to baby them with their prison politics type of mentality. In Mexico, you have to earn the respect of the people......in the States the fans will go as far es even make excuses why you don't have to fight certain fights.

And if people don't like or believe what im saying all you have to do is look at who produces more top level talent. in the past 35 years Mexico has produced guys like JCC, Erick Morales, Juan Manuel Marquez, Marco Antonio Barrera, Finito Lopez, and more recently Canelo Alvarez and Gallo Estrada. Meanwhile, Mexican-Americans have only been able to produce one ELITE level guy in Oscar de la Hoya.

great full blown amigos will get scientific when necessary

Erik Morales did a terrific job of juggling between outboxing AND outbrawling manny

That performance by Morales deserves a video analysis

[Boxfan83]

Vergil Ortiz comes to mind for Mexican-American style

Tbh Im not fully sold on Ortiz but in my small boxing circle here in Southern California there are a couple solid guys that know/seen Ortiz train and they are completely sold on him. From what Ive heard, it seems like hes a workhorse. 1st in the gym, last out.

When I think of current Mexican American Style I think of Danny Roman. Balls and skill.