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  • RENE JUNIOR
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    #71
    Originally posted by Gideon lock
    I think charlo will lose a bit of aggressiveness in his character after having it beaten out of him by canelo over 12 rounds he has a hell of a chin charlo it will be a war in spurts but canelos a level above in too many different aspects of the game.
    Well said
    I honestly have Canelo beating ALL these names that people are spitting out.
    I feel Canelo islevels above maybe 99% of all these guys, none have his work ethic and dedication man.
    Plus he is super seasoned and experienced.
    He is beatable but.....

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      #72
      Originally posted by RENE JUNIOR

      Well said
      I honestly have Canelo beating ALL these names that people are spitting out.
      I feel Canelo islevels above maybe 99% of all these guys, none have his work ethic and dedication man.
      Plus he is super seasoned and experienced.
      He is beatable but.....
      Exactly that man only thing beating canelo at this rate is father time.

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        #73
        Originally posted by RENE JUNIOR

        Well said
        I honestly have Canelo beating ALL these names that people are spitting out.
        I feel Canelo islevels above maybe 99% of all these guys, none have his work ethic and dedication man.
        Plus he is super seasoned and experienced.
        He is beatable but.....
        and none have his ped's either. he wont even fight beterbiev. hes had years to do it and yet...nothing. so im not sure how you can be so confident when hes not. its 155 all over again. im too small! oh wait i will fight kovalev there or makabu at cruiser doe! 168 has been such crap and yet hes been there...which would be fine if that was his division but we know hes willing to go to 175 or cruiser(for the right fight) and of course he would beat charlo. they are nowhere near the same size and even if they were canelo would be a heavy favorite.

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          #74
          Originally posted by Gideon lock

          Exactly that man only thing beating canelo at this rate is father time.
          hes one of the best fighters in boxing and no one at 168 will beat him but thats because no one is very good at 168. beterbiev and bivol have both been high quality 175 opponents but canelo is too small when the prospect of fighting them arises, same dynamic happened when canelo was hiding out at 155 to avoid ggg. he exposed himself in that situation as well when he fought chavez jr at super middle. now hes doing the same thing with a makabu fight or joe smith? what is that?

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            #75
            Originally posted by daggum

            hes one of the best fighters in boxing and no one at 168 will beat him but thats because no one is very good at 168. beterbiev and bivol have both been high quality 175 opponents but canelo is too small when the prospect of fighting them arises, same dynamic happened when canelo was hiding out at 155 to avoid ggg. he exposed himself in that situation as well when he fought chavez jr at super middle. now hes doing the same thing with a makabu fight or joe smith? what is that?
            - - He wasn't hiding from Golovkin.

            Follow the $$$, the only reason boxing exists. @155 he could be poised for the l'lFloydy rematch at 154 or later at 155 for his middle title.

            Later Canelo embroiled with Sulieman over imposition of purse bids along side being sued by a Mexican promoter for jumping to GoldenBoy when he was 18.

            It was Golovkin and Loeffler who delayed the GGG rematch that gave Canelo the incentive to take ring center and knock Golovkin off any time he got close. The Jr Chavez fight had been brewing for years and made great $$$ when they made the fight.

            Canelo playing the cards dealt to him in his moment, so what else U need to be straightened out on?

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              #76
              Originally posted by daggum

              hes one of the best fighters in boxing and no one at 168 will beat him but thats because no one is very good at 168. beterbiev and bivol have both been high quality 175 opponents but canelo is too small when the prospect of fighting them arises, same dynamic happened when canelo was hiding out at 155 to avoid ggg. he exposed himself in that situation as well when he fought chavez jr at super middle. now hes doing the same thing with a makabu fight or joe smith? what is that?
              Beter and bivol are untested at an elite level canelos tested. I'd have Canelo atleast on even terms going into a fight with either based solely on that let alone other 'cashcow' perks and variables. I don't know enough about the 155 and avoidance issue to commentate effectively. Your assessment of canelo however at 168 is very good.

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                #77
                Originally posted by QueensburyRules

                - - He wasn't hiding from Golovkin.

                Follow the $$$, the only reason boxing exists. @155 he could be poised for the l'lFloydy rematch at 154 or later at 155 for his middle title.

                Later Canelo embroiled with Sulieman over imposition of purse bids along side being sued by a Mexican promoter for jumping to GoldenBoy when he was 18.

                It was Golovkin and Loeffler who delayed the GGG rematch that gave Canelo the incentive to take ring center and knock Golovkin off any time he got close. The Jr Chavez fight had been brewing for years and made great $$$ when they made the fight.

                Canelo playing the cards dealt to him in his moment, so what else U need to be straightened out on?
                so he couldnt fight at 160 cause of a rematch with floyd that was never seriously in the cards? that doenst make sense on so many levels.


                “I'm not a middleweight,” Alvarez said when discussions veered to a potential showdown with IBF and WBA middleweight champion Gennady Golovkin.

                hes not a middleweiht...but hes a super middleweight cause he can fight chavez jr! hes not a light heavyweight so he cant fight beterbiev...but hes a cruiserweight!

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                  #78
                  Originally posted by Gideon lock

                  Beter and bivol are untested at an elite level canelos tested. I'd have Canelo atleast on even terms going into a fight with either based solely on that let alone other 'cashcow' perks and variables. I don't know enough about the 155 and avoidance issue to commentate effectively. Your assessment of canelo however at 168 is very good.
                  beterbiev beat the lineal champ. how is he untested? bivol beat joe smith jr, pascal, and some other solid fighters. those guys are clearly the top of the division and way more proven then anyone canelo has fought at 168.

                  i dont think canelo would fight someone hes only on even terms with.

                  “I'm not a middleweight,” Alvarez said when discussions veered to a potential showdown with IBF and WBA middleweight champion Gennady Golovkin.

                  this is when ggg was his mando and canelo fought bums like khan instead of ggg saying he was too small for ggg, the then fought chavz jr at super middle which proves he was just full of crap and was too scared. hes just doing a similar thing now with 168 and 175. i guess its not as bad since 168 is a real division just doesnt have any real fighters where inventing your own division so you dont have to fight someone is one of the most laughable and undignified things one can do

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                    #79
                    Originally posted by Gideon lock

                    Exactly that man only thing beating canelo at this rate is father time.
                    Facts man, either that of Canelo beating himself in losing discipline, dedication etc, which I do not see happening at all anytime soon.

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                      #80
                      Originally posted by daggum

                      so he couldnt fight at 160 cause of a rematch with floyd that was never seriously in the cards? that doenst make sense on so many levels.


                      “I'm not a middleweight,” Alvarez said when discussions veered to a potential showdown with IBF and WBA middleweight champion Gennady Golovkin.

                      hes not a middleweiht...but hes a super middleweight cause he can fight chavez jr! hes not a light heavyweight so he cant fight beterbiev...but hes a cruiserweight!
                      mr anyone from 154 to 168 coiud have gone to 155 , if he really wanted... but decided it was better to wait for it to happen at his most comft weight, no knock on that, he played his cards and got paid nicely ...
                      yes the fight could have happened earlier but neither was willing to budge a pound for it, so deal with it.

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