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Right or wrong, the IBF is better than all the orgs thats start with W!
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I understand Hrgovic is frustrated , but on the other hand, he has zero good wins and he is 1 fight away of world championship fight. So he should`t complain.
All these organizations are corrupted. can somebody explain to me how is Wallin who beat Breazeale not even top 15 by any organization, but Hrgovic beating Breazeale`s victims is somehow one of top guys?Comment
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WBA WBC IBF WBO
They are all ****.
Hunter ducked Hrgovic, second only to Dubois in the WBA, who, lost to Joyce, who is missing from the WBA.
Joshua at 5th? Under Hughie and Helenius? Crazy talk, don't hardly go to bat for AJ but that's nuts
Wilder is not the former x2 WBA champion, so less nuts, but still nuts.
Don't got much bitching for WBC, atm, Hrgovic should be higher. I'm a huge Wilder fan but how does it make sense to have a Silver champion second to a contender with no title? Hunter's ass need to fight someone before he's a top ten with his quak-n-waddle bull.
Good ol IBF though, now that's one ****ty rating board. I have no clue want hold Martin has on the IBF but dude's done been there, right there, having fought no one to get there, so many times just to lose the one important fight they ask him before his title shot. From Glazkov to now Martin's never really made sense. Parker's ****, beating up chisora over and over again shouldn't get you much. Joshua under two of his leftovers because he lost to usyk and they beat who? Oh Chisora and Washington. Yoka's done **** all and Joyce is too low.
WBO giving China a handy with that one. I don't care how many rate him, hunter shouldn't be there. There should be consequences to ducking elims. What's worse, Hrgovic should. Your career shouldn't be held up by ****ers ducking you and getting rated higher than you at the same time, wtf. Parker's **** ass is too high, hell, generally an underwhelming list of HWs tbh, they're all too high except the three or four names that should be there.
I didn't even mention that Bakole, McKean, etc, ain't done **** all while the WBA is the exclusive rating board that sees value in Joshua and Wilder. WBC thinks Makhmudov is a more proven HW than Joshua, while, IBF somehow think Ortiz has done more than Wilder.
All **** ratings
No the ****ing TBRB bull is no better Parker above Joyce? How? ****ing Chisora isn't it?
Wallin, he's done something since cutting Tyson. You know, against guys who are not rated.
Hunter instead of Hrgovic, but TBRB isn't corrupt doe. Their ratings are not for sale....I roll my eyes and wank in yer direction
Boxrec still has Chisora. What's he got to do, gather as many losses as most pros have fights? FFS. Not to mention, no ****ing way is Usyk more proven than Fury.
Ring actually has the best rating atm:
TYSON FURY
RING, WBC
COUNTRY: U.K.
31-0-1 (22 KOS)
WEEKS ON LIST: 163
1
OLEKSANDR USYK
IBF, WBA, WBO
COUNTRY: UKRAINE
19-0-0 (13 KOS)
WEEKS ON LIST: 31
2
ANTHONY JOSHUA
COUNTRY: U.K.
24-2-0 (22 KOS)
WEEKS ON LIST: 300
3
DEONTAY WILDER
COUNTRY: U.S.
42-2-1 (41 KOS)
WEEKS ON LIST: 401
4
DILLIAN WHYTE
COUNTRY: U.K.
28-2-0 (19 KOS)
WEEKS ON LIST: 241
5
JOSEPH PARKER
COUNTRY: NEW ZEALAND
30-2-0 (21 KOS)
WEEKS ON LIST: 277
6
ANDY RUIZ JR.
COUNTRY: U.S.
34-2-0 (22 KOS)
WEEKS ON LIST: 111
7
LUIS ORTIZ
COUNTRY: CUBA
33-2-0 (28 KOS)
WEEKS ON LIST: 189
8
JOE JOYCE
COUNTRY: U.K.
13-0-0 (12 KOS)
WEEKS ON LIST: 3
9
FILIP HRGOVIC
COUNTRY: CROATIA
14-0-0 (12 KOS)
10
Drop Parker to 9, Ortiz to 10, and just bump everyone up a slot so Sanchez is 8 Filip is 7, Joyce 6, Andy at 5 and no changes from 4-c. That'd be good...or just drop Ortiz and Parker all together for Dubois, Yoka, or Kabayel.
Anyway, point is they're all **** and weirdly the best one is the one most obviously for sale.
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Such pretty colors .WBA WBC IBF WBO
They are all ****.
Hunter ducked Hrgovic, second only to Dubois in the WBA, who, lost to Joyce, who is missing from the WBA.
Joshua at 5th? Under Hughie and Helenius? Crazy talk, don't hardly go to bat for AJ but that's nuts
Wilder is not the former x2 WBA champion, so less nuts, but still nuts.
Don't got much bitching for WBC, atm, Hrgovic should be higher. I'm a huge Wilder fan but how does it make sense to have a Silver champion second to a contender with no title? Hunter's ass need to fight someone before he's a top ten with his quak-n-waddle bull.
Good ol IBF though, now that's one ****ty rating board. I have no clue want hold Martin has on the IBF but dude's done been there, right there, having fought no one to get there, so many times just to lose the one important fight they ask him before his title shot. From Glazkov to now Martin's never really made sense. Parker's ****, beating up chisora over and over again shouldn't get you much. Joshua under two of his leftovers because he lost to usyk and they beat who? Oh Chisora and Washington. Yoka's done **** all and Joyce is too low.
WBO giving China a handy with that one. I don't care how many rate him, hunter shouldn't be there. There should be consequences to ducking elims. What's worse, Hrgovic should. Your career shouldn't be held up by ****ers ducking you and getting rated higher than you at the same time, wtf. Parker's **** ass is too high, hell, generally an underwhelming list of HWs tbh, they're all too high except the three or four names that should be there.
I didn't even mention that Bakole, McKean, etc, ain't done **** all while the WBA is the exclusive rating board that sees value in Joshua and Wilder. WBC thinks Makhmudov is a more proven HW than Joshua, while, IBF somehow think Ortiz has done more than Wilder.
All **** ratings
No the ****ing TBRB bull is no better Parker above Joyce? How? ****ing Chisora isn't it?
Wallin, he's done something since cutting Tyson. You know, against guys who are not rated.
Hunter instead of Hrgovic, but TBRB isn't corrupt doe. Their ratings are not for sale....I roll my eyes and wank in yer direction
Boxrec still has Chisora. What's he got to do, gather as many losses as most pros have fights? FFS. Not to mention, no ****ing way is Usyk more proven than Fury.
Ring actually has the best rating atm:
TYSON FURY
RING, WBC
COUNTRY: U.K.
31-0-1 (22 KOS)
WEEKS ON LIST: 163
1
OLEKSANDR USYK
IBF, WBA, WBO
COUNTRY: UKRAINE
19-0-0 (13 KOS)
WEEKS ON LIST: 31
2
ANTHONY JOSHUA
COUNTRY: U.K.
24-2-0 (22 KOS)
WEEKS ON LIST: 300
3
DEONTAY WILDER
COUNTRY: U.S.
42-2-1 (41 KOS)
WEEKS ON LIST: 401
4
DILLIAN WHYTE
COUNTRY: U.K.
28-2-0 (19 KOS)
WEEKS ON LIST: 241
5
JOSEPH PARKER
COUNTRY: NEW ZEALAND
30-2-0 (21 KOS)
WEEKS ON LIST: 277
6
ANDY RUIZ JR.
COUNTRY: U.S.
34-2-0 (22 KOS)
WEEKS ON LIST: 111
7
LUIS ORTIZ
COUNTRY: CUBA
33-2-0 (28 KOS)
WEEKS ON LIST: 189
8
JOE JOYCE
COUNTRY: U.K.
13-0-0 (12 KOS)
WEEKS ON LIST: 3
9
FILIP HRGOVIC
COUNTRY: CROATIA
14-0-0 (12 KOS)
10
Drop Parker to 9, Ortiz to 10, and just bump everyone up a slot so Sanchez is 8 Filip is 7, Joyce 6, Andy at 5 and no changes from 4-c. That'd be good...or just drop Ortiz and Parker all together for Dubois, Yoka, or Kabayel.
Anyway, point is they're all **** and weirdly the best one is the one most obviously for sale.Comment
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the good thing about the IBF is that anyone can follow the rules and as long as you keep winning, you can eventually get the mando spot, regardless of who your promoter is.
But people focus too much on the ratings themselves. Those ratings are NOT like Boxrec, or Ring, or whoever. The ratings are to rank challegers for the IBF title. There is no point in ranking fighters where there is no chance whatsoever to actually make the fight. Martin is terrible, but he got to #2 because he fought an eliminator against another top 10 guy. ANYONE in the top 10 can do that. The problem is that most choose NOT to. They would rather sit around, or fight a couple of dummies while they wait for a title shot.
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If an org tries to organise a mandatory eliminator and one fighter turns it down for no good reason like Parker did they should just go ahead and make the other guy the mandatory rather than beat around the bush too long. Maybe if the next best ranked guy has his schedule free they could give him a chance to step in. Either way they should knock down the guy who backed out a few rungs down the rankings unless he actually has a decent reason for not taking the fight.Comment
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It’s certainly a problem that Sauerland rightly points to, but I would say the underlying problem here is encapsulated within what he intends to do next: namely, lobby the IBF to remove contenders that refuse eliminators from the rankings.
The proximity promoters have to the orgs is the biggest s*** sandwich in boxing, for my money. That Sauerland brazenly states that he’s willing to raise hell to influence boxing rankings tells me (1) they can’t be worth the paper they’re written on and (2) the corruption is so endemic that it doesn’t even register with the promoter.
I mean, this kind of s*** wouldn’t be acceptable if you or I did it at work, would it?Last edited by P to the J; 01-06-2022, 07:32 PM.Comment
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