Comments Thread For: Ryan Garcia Pleads For Isaac Cruz To Sign Contract; Golden Boy Prefers Softer Fight

[luvgun]

If Ryan actually fights Cruz and even worse loses - He might be liable to actually hurt himself. They will need to put him on watch. Seriously.

[Sctrojan]

You're missing the point! One last time for me to you on this topic.

GBP had Ryan lined up for a WBC fight vs. Haney! He wins the eliminator, and calls out Tank instead! That was not on Oscar, that's on Ryan. Then we find out he was talking to Al Haymon in the dressing room b4 the fight! That's not on Oscar, that's on Ryan! Then he switches from Tank to Pacquiao! that's not on Oscar, that's on Ryan! It's obvious Oscar did not want the fight because of the comments he made, and then Ryan PUBLICLY disses Oscar because of said remarks! That's not on Oscar, that's on Ryan! Then he's lined up for another eliminator with Fortuna. He pulls out of that fight for "mental health issues!" Again, that's on Ryan, not Oscar! Then he's lined up for a fight with Jo Jo...you get the picture? Now he's calling for Issac "Pitbull" Cruz! Not Oscar, but again Ryan! I'm sure Oscar would've rather had Jo Jo or Linares, or somebody Oscar had chosen, NOT Ryan!

So the point I'm making is Ryan should STFU, and let his team do the talking. Don't say "sign the contract," on December 31st, when there is no contract yet! Each time he says "I'm fighting X next," but ends up fighting Y, he makes himself look dumber, and dumber! He's quickly becoming a joke! You know it's bad when even Canelo is losing faith! In fact you are protecting him more than Canelo is! That's on you, not Ryan!

I'm not "protecting" anyone lol. The kids a little twat but I can't deny his boxing ability. He legitimately bailed on one figh for whatever mental issuse he had and that was Fortuna. This whole debate was putting to rest that he "didn't want that Cruz work" that's it,nothing more nothing less. Did Oscar and Eric state in the article that he wants to fight Cruz and they worked up an offer?? Until Cruz team deny or refute any offer was made,I will assume it's legit just like you want to believe Ellerbe had send one to Ryan. Your disdain for the kid has clouded you from seeing what's right there in the article,from the horses mouth.

[Sctrojan]

Apparently Cruz wants to guarantee that Ryan won't pull out of the fight

Tongue in cheek or you legitimate heard/read this?

[Bronx2245]

Ryan Garcia Hounding Isaac Cruz To Ink Contract For April Fight
January 4th, 2022
Boxing News 24

By Sean Jones: Ryan Garcia and his promoter Oscar De La Hoya say they’ve seen a contract to Isaac Cruz that they want him to hurry up and sign. Cruz’s criticism of Ryan seems to have hit home, as he’s upset at being called an “Instagram” fighter and he wants to show the fans that he’s not just someone using the sport to increase his subscribers on social media.

If a contract has truly been sent to the former world title challenger Cruz, there seems to be a real hurry on Golden Boy boss De La Hoya and Ryan’s part for him to quickly sign for some reason. After a year of showing no interest in fighting, former WBC interim lightweight champion Ryan is hounding ‘Pitbull’ Cruz something fierce, which is a little su****ious of the motives.

Pitbull sees Ryan as just focused on driving his Instagram and YouTube sites to increase his subscribers.

As of today, Ryan has 8.8 million followers on Instagram and 1.3 million subscribers on his YouTube channel. When you have that kind of following on social media, you’re making bank, so it makes sense for Ryan to call out top fighters.

Even if Ryan never fights any of them, just mentioning them will increase his followers, making him even more popular.

Ryan is saying he’s feeling new and recharged, and pushing Isaac Cruz to “sign the contract,” but this sounds like a strategy to pump up his followers.

Ryan Garcia Wants To Silence The Noise

We haven’t heard from the management for ‘Pitbull’ Cruz (22-2-1, 15 KOs) to verify that a contract has actually been sent because this could an a grandstanding move on the 23-year-old ‘King Ry’ Garcia (21-0, 18 KOs.

In other words, to get some cheap publicity without any true intent in taking on the dangerous Mexican warrior. It doesn’t matter if Pitbull Cruz signs for the fight with Ryan because King Ry has been totally unreliable since last year. TWICE, Ryan was signed for fights and pulled out of them.

If you’re Ryan, it would be better for him to keep it on the down-low once he signs for a fight due to his poor track record in making it to the ring.
King Ry’s Goal: 25-0


The fight against Isaac Cruz makes sense for Ryan, as it gives him the opportunity to let boxing fans compare his performance against Pitbull to that of Gervonta ‘Tank’ Davis, who struggled to beat him last December.

If Ryan beats Cruz in a more impressive manner than Tank did, the casual boxing fans will conclude that King Ry would beat him.

The reality is that a win for Ryan over Pitbull Cruz won’t mean anything other than he could beat an undersized lightweight with two losses already on his record.

“Putting my head down and getting the Job done in 2022,” said Ryan. “I’m ready to push forward. Silence the noise and be who I am. 25-0 that’s the goal.

“The first step is to get Isaac Cruz to fight and to stop wasting time. Coming from a guy that says he’ll fight me on my patio he sure takes long,” said Ryan.

“It’s unclear whether Ryan’s stated goal of a 25-0 record is the end game for him before he retires or if he wants to reach that number by the end of 2022.
Is Ryan Looking To Cash Out In 2022?


Ryan said in the past that he wants to retire by the time he’s 26 now. He’s currently 23, but perhaps he’s going to cash-out after five more fights, particularly if one of them is a big-money mega-million clash against Gervonta ‘Tank’ Davis.

Ryan hasn’t been bashful in openly saying that he wants a title shot against WBA secondary lightweight champion Gervonta if he defeats Pitbull Cruz in April. Why the rush for Ryan to fight Tank after just one fight back from a year-long layoff? Well, I think you can ready between the lines. This sounds like cash-out to me.

We see Ryan more with his posts on social media now than inside the ring fighting. When he did have two fights scheduled against respectable opposition in Javier Fortuna and Joseph ‘Jojo’ Diaz Jr, he quickly pulled out of them.

Was this just about Ryan signing to fight those guys to pump up his social media numbers or was he seriously interested in fighting them? We’ll never know for certain, but it has Sean Jones highly su****ious of his motives.

Isaac Cruz Wants To Be Paid If Ryan Pulls Out

Pitbull Cruz reportedly wants to be still paid if Ryan pulls out of their fight, which you can understand given King Ry’s track record in 2021. As I stated earlier, Ryan pulled out of two significant fights last year against Javier Fortuna and Jojo Diaz Jr. So, it makes sense for Isaac Cruz to want Ryan to still pay him should he pull out of the fight for whatever reason, be it mental health woes or injury.

Cruz hasn’t shown a history of pulling out of his fights, so he’s not someone that you would have to worry about suddenly canceling.

We saw what Isaac did against Gervonta Davis in being brought in as a last-minute replacement after Rolando ‘Rolly’ Romero was pulled from the card last December. Cruz fought well enough to deserve a draw against Tank if not a win.

“I’m feeling so sharp and strong, actually faster than I was before, it’s kinda crazy can’t wait! Kinda feels like I was in the hyperbolic chamber from DBZ,” said Ryan on Twitter earlier on Tuesday. “It’s in my blood.”

It’s more talking from Ryan, and pretty much the same thing he’s been doing for the last year. Ryan is putting public pressure on Isaac Cruz, and it seems like an act without any real validity.

What makes this look even more fake is on Monday, Ryan’s promoter Oscar De La Hoya posted on Twitter and used the wrong tags for Isaac Cruz, Golden Boy Promotions, and King Ry.

How does De La Hoya not know the correct Twitter tags for his own company Golden Boy, Ryan Garcia and Pitbull Cruz?

https://www.************.com/2022/01...r-april-fight/

[Bronx2245]

I'm not "protecting" anyone lol. The kids a little twat but I can't deny his boxing ability. He legitimately bailed on one figh for whatever mental issuse he had and that was Fortuna. This whole debate was putting to rest that he "didn't want that Cruz work" that's it,nothing more nothing less. Did Oscar and Eric state in the article that he wants to fight Cruz and they worked up an offer?? Until Cruz team deny or refute any offer was made,I will assume it's legit just like you want to believe Ellerbe had send one to Ryan. Your disdain for the kid has clouded you from seeing what's right there in the article,from the horses mouth.

Again, my judgement of Ryan Garcia is from history!

Ryan Garcia On Speaking With Al Haymon Before Campbell Fight: 'He Just Said, Good Luck, Champ'
January 9, 2021

If the Ryan Garcia vs. Gervonta Davis “superfight” is going to happen, it will need to involve their respective handlers. Given the bad blood between Oscar De La Hoya, Garcia’s promoter, and Al Haymon, Davis’ manager, that is no sure thing.

One silver lining, however, is that Garcia (21-0, 18 KOs) himself seems to be on friendly terms with Haymon, a powerful but low-key figure in the sport, to the point that he apparently received a phone call from the mystery man himself 10 minutes before he walked into the ring to face Luke Campbell, whom Garcia ended up stopping in the seventh round of their lightweight bout on Jan. 2.

Davis (24-0, 23 KOs) first alluded to this conversation online in a now-deleted tweet in which he wrote, "You know who you talked to 10 mins before ya ring walk…the fight already been made..now..shut up and get ready!”

Garcia confirmed as much in an interview with Chris Mannix on the SI Boxing Podcast, although he downplayed the idea that anything of substance was broached.

“He’s (Davis) trying to make it seemed like we talked about the contracts and the exact details, but, man, don’t let him paint that picture,” Garcia said. “The truth of the matter is I talked to Al Haymon for five seconds.

“All he said was ‘Good luck, champ, go get him.’ There was nothing more to it. We didn’t even mention Tank’s name, to be honest. He just said good luck champ go get him. That was it. There was nothing crazy.

“I think I had one other conversation with him (Haymon), but I never had a long conversation with him. But people take too much out of that."

De La Hoya had a falling out with Haymon several years ago after Haymon, who managed many of the top Golden Boy fighters, bought out their contracts in order to pursue a new promotional path for the likes of Deontay Wilder, Errol Spence Jr., Danny Garcia, and Keith under Haymon's Premier Boxing Champions outfit. De La Hoya took Haymon to court before the two sides settled in 2015. The bad blood persists to this day.

Still, however casual the interaction may have been between Garcia and Haymon, the phone call seems noteworthy if only because it runs counter to the prevailing political divisions in the sport, in which the key power players – Golden Boy, Top Rank, Matchroom, and Haymon’s Premier Boxing Champions – rarely interact with each other. Cognizant of the acrimonious relationships between these en******, Garcia said he would not let those business conflicts affect the way he behaves – or threaten the Davis fight that he so covets.

"I could talk to you, I could talk to (promoter) Eddie Hearn," Garcia said. "I could talk to anybody, it don’t mean I’m shady or I’m doing anything crazy. Maybe I’m saying ‘Hi’”.

“I would never hate anybody. I don’t care to hate anybody. I don’t care what side I am. If you’re a good person, you’re a good person. Point blank period. I don’t care about this guy or that guy, it don’t matter to me. I’mma keep it love.”

https://www.boxingscene.com/ryan-garcia-on-speaking-with-al-haymon-campbell-fight-he-just-said-good-luck-champ--154612

Now who does that? Do you think Lomachenko has maybe 1-2 conversations with Al Haymon, just for fun? Lol! Where there's smoke there's fire, but you go ahead and keep believing in Ryan Garcia!

[Sctrojan]

Again, my judgement of Ryan Garcia is from history!

Ryan Garcia On Speaking With Al Haymon Before Campbell Fight: 'He Just Said, Good Luck, Champ'
January 9, 2021

If the Ryan Garcia vs. Gervonta Davis “superfight” is going to happen, it will need to involve their respective handlers. Given the bad blood between Oscar De La Hoya, Garcia’s promoter, and Al Haymon, Davis’ manager, that is no sure thing.

One silver lining, however, is that Garcia (21-0, 18 KOs) himself seems to be on friendly terms with Haymon, a powerful but low-key figure in the sport, to the point that he apparently received a phone call from the mystery man himself 10 minutes before he walked into the ring to face Luke Campbell, whom Garcia ended up stopping in the seventh round of their lightweight bout on Jan. 2.

Davis (24-0, 23 KOs) first alluded to this conversation online in a now-deleted tweet in which he wrote, "You know who you talked to 10 mins before ya ring walk…the fight already been made..now..shut up and get ready!”

Garcia confirmed as much in an interview with Chris Mannix on the SI Boxing Podcast, although he downplayed the idea that anything of substance was broached.

“He’s (Davis) trying to make it seemed like we talked about the contracts and the exact details, but, man, don’t let him paint that picture,” Garcia said. “The truth of the matter is I talked to Al Haymon for five seconds.

“All he said was ‘Good luck, champ, go get him.’ There was nothing more to it. We didn’t even mention Tank’s name, to be honest. He just said good luck champ go get him. That was it. There was nothing crazy.

“I think I had one other conversation with him (Haymon), but I never had a long conversation with him. But people take too much out of that."

De La Hoya had a falling out with Haymon several years ago after Haymon, who managed many of the top Golden Boy fighters, bought out their contracts in order to pursue a new promotional path for the likes of Deontay Wilder, Errol Spence Jr., Danny Garcia, and Keith under Haymon's Premier Boxing Champions outfit. De La Hoya took Haymon to court before the two sides settled in 2015. The bad blood persists to this day.

Still, however casual the interaction may have been between Garcia and Haymon, the phone call seems noteworthy if only because it runs counter to the prevailing political divisions in the sport, in which the key power players – Golden Boy, Top Rank, Matchroom, and Haymon’s Premier Boxing Champions – rarely interact with each other. Cognizant of the acrimonious relationships between these en******, Garcia said he would not let those business conflicts affect the way he behaves – or threaten the Davis fight that he so covets.

"I could talk to you, I could talk to (promoter) Eddie Hearn," Garcia said. "I could talk to anybody, it don’t mean I’m shady or I’m doing anything crazy. Maybe I’m saying ‘Hi’”.

“I would never hate anybody. I don’t care to hate anybody. I don’t care what side I am. If you’re a good person, you’re a good person. Point blank period. I don’t care about this guy or that guy, it don’t matter to me. I’mma keep it love.”

https://www.boxingscene.com/ryan-garcia-on-speaking-with-al-haymon-campbell-fight-he-just-said-good-luck-champ--154612

Now who does that? Do you think Lomachenko has maybe 1-2 conversations with Al Haymon, just for fun? Lol! Where there's smoke there's fire, but you go ahead and keep believing in Ryan Garcia!

You're all over the place homeboy lol. Him talking to Haymon proves what??

Why are you so butthurt that Ryan would legitimately want to fight Cruz? He ISNT that great man lol,it's not like he's out there asking to fight Loma or anything smh...

[archiemoore1]

Well,there you have Oscar,Eric and Ryan put together an offer for Cruz...."but but he don't want that smoke doe". Cruz will be a flash in the pan and nothing more. Against Davis he was the same crude brawler who can't throw a straight punch to save his life ,just turns out with a decent chin. Leo and Barrios were having success against Tank before his power bailed him out so no surprise Cruz had some as well.

Garcia makes easy work of Pitbull,the question is will PBC allow him to accept the offer?

I respectfully disagree with u. Pitbull isn't a flash in the pan. Why? Because he fights with extreme confidence, because he knows his identity in the ring. He imposes his way on anybody. After fighting Tank, he'll be even more confident because a) his conditioning and stamina, b) his chin, and c) he hits hard with both hands. On top of this, he showed against Tank that while he looks like a basic brawler to the casual fan, he's not that easy to hit when he's in front of you. Tank is razor sharp and accurate and Tank couldn't land much, considering Pitbull was always right in his face for 12 rounds. So anyone who thinks Pitbull doesn't belong on this level is mistaken. Pitbull will butt f..k the feminine metrosexual Ryan Garcia, doggystyle

[Rodtang]

I think Garcia is blowing smoke. I'm super disappointed in him and Haney. 3 years ago they looked legit. I think the hype rolled over them and the little boys inside died. Pretty sad. I was set to make Haney my favorite.

Haneys been active, and just beaten two top 10 former world champions. And now seeking undisputed. Nothing disappointing about that.

[Sctrojan]

I respectfully disagree with u. Pitbull isn't a flash in the pan. Why? Because he fights with extreme confidence, because he knows his identity in the ring. He imposes his way on anybody. After fighting Tank, he'll be even more confident because a) his conditioning and stamina, b) his chin, and c) he hits hard with both hands. On top of this, he showed against Tank that while he looks like a basic brawler to the casual fan, he's not that easy to hit when he's in front of you. Tank is razor sharp and accurate and Tank couldn't land much, considering Pitbull was always right in his face for 12 rounds. So anyone who thinks Pitbull doesn't belong on this level is mistaken. Pitbull will butt f..k the feminine metrosexual Ryan Garcia, doggystyle

No worries chief,we can differ on opinions or what he perceive in the ring. Cruz has a chin and tenacity I agree,but just that against the elite will not get it done more often than not. Don't think he hits thats hard as he's gone to decision in 6 of his past 7 fights. I think it was a case of Tank not being prepared for a fighter with his style and size coupled with Cruz having the fight of his life honestly. Let's hope a Ryan vs Cruz fight materializes so we can put this to rest.

[Rodtang]

You're absolutely right, they both run their mouths way to much, that said, I wouldn't call beating 40 year old Linares who's been knocked out multiple times in the first round a big accomplishment, and barely survived against Linares. Diaz is a little better, but let's be honest, he's a blown up featherweight, Campbell is better than both those guys, or at least was at the time. I hear you though, to much talking with very little action, if Garcia truly wants pitbull as his first fight back, then good for him, because pitbull is also better than Linares and Diaz.

Are you not aware that Linares beat Campbell? Linares is still a top 10 fighter. He won multiple titles before Campbell had a title shot. And was still getting a title shot after Campbell had retired. So to say Campbell is better than those 2 is nonsense. I should point out I was a Luke Campbell fan. I have fond memories of watching him win his Olympic final, whilst having a beveridge or 6 in a pub in Edinburgh on the Royal Mile. And followed his pro career from the get go. But I can be honest. He is not better than Linares or Diaz, although he may beat Diaz on account of his size.