Comments Thread For: Daily Bread Mailbag: Canelo vs. Charlo, Jake Paul, Spence vs. Crawford, More

[Caxcan]

You probably piss schmanelo sweat his balls are so far down your throat .

I'm talking boxing and speaking facts. You can keep your ball fantasies to yourself and do some soul searching.

[ShoulderRoll]

Bread is out here spreading false information/phony Andrade narratives:
"Andrade was the WBO champion at 154 while Canelo was the WBC champion and Canelo had no interest in fighting him.

Wrong. Canelo had lost his titles to Floyd. And Andrade's sole activity as 154 WBO champ was a single defense vs his mandatory Rose while Canelo was busy facing the far more proven Lara (who Andrade wanted no part of. Andrade then pulled out of a Charlo fight, gave up his belt and went MIA while turning down other fights, but he's the avoided fighter in that scenario? lol

"But Andrade gives up his belt and Liam Smith won it and the WBO belt becomes interesting enough for him to move down in weigh to fight for it"

Nope that's not the way it transpired. Canelo didn't swoop in as soon as Andrade gave up his belt, Smith was attempting his third defense as champ which is more than what One and Done Andrade did with it.

"Jacobs is a little more well known and he had the GGG fight, but Andrade had a belt, the WBO belt. Canelo had the WBC, WBA and IBF. All he needed was the WBO to get the same 4 he has now at 168. He chose to fight Jacobs who was not a champion then moved up from 160. He was 1 belt away from the undisputed champion at 160….All that stood in the way was Andrade.."

Wrong and wrong. First of all, little more well known? Jacobs was far more proven than Andrade's ever been, and yes he was a champ holding the IBF. And undisputed was never on the table with the IBF declaring he immediately had to come to terms with his mandatory Derev who ended up dragging his feet turning down career high money.

"He’s from the same exact era as Canelo. He’s 31-0. He’s been in the same divisions as Canelo, held belts in those divisions and he’s been on the same networks. It’s at least worth mentioning that if it’s not a duck, it’s pretty clear Canelo doesn’t want to fight him."

Yep, Andrade is from the same era as Canelo (and older) but that's where the similarities end because Andrade has never fought a single champ or ex champ in his career because he turned down the step up opportunities that came his way, unlike Canelo who fought more champs than anyone, but he's the one whose ambition is questioned?

Canelo by 23 accomplished more and displayed more ambition than Andrade in his career. He had a step up fight vs Trout whereas Andrade pulled out of his vs Jermell. Canelo accepted lowball money and met Floyd's catchweight to land a fight with him, then faced high risk/low reward Lara who Andrade was still openly avoiding years later. Imagine how differently Canelo's career would have turned out if he had avoided those fights and instead adopted the attitude of Andrade who's spent the bulk of his career protecting his 0 waiting for cash out.

That's a great post, man.

You should send it in to Bread today so that he has plenty of time to address it for next week's Mailbag.

[Oregonian]

The Daily Bread Mailbag returns with Stephen "Breadman" Edwards tackling topics such as Jake Paul, Errol Spence vs. Terence Crawford, Canelo Alvarez vs. Jermall Charlo, unifications in boxing, and more.
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I’m not sold on Manny not fighting Zaheer Rahim. Rahim was a pure boxer and a stylical nightmare matchup for Manny so I think there’s a case for a duck.

[Oregonian]

Bread is out here spreading false information/phony Andrade narratives:
"Andrade was the WBO champion at 154 while Canelo was the WBC champion and Canelo had no interest in fighting him.

Wrong. Canelo had lost his titles to Floyd. And Andrade's sole activity as 154 WBO champ was a single defense vs his mandatory Rose while Canelo was busy facing the far more proven Lara (who Andrade wanted no part of. Andrade then pulled out of a Charlo fight, gave up his belt and went MIA while turning down other fights, but he's the avoided fighter in that scenario? lol

"But Andrade gives up his belt and Liam Smith won it and the WBO belt becomes interesting enough for him to move down in weigh to fight for it"

Nope that's not the way it transpired. Canelo didn't swoop in as soon as Andrade gave up his belt, Smith was attempting his third defense as champ which is more than what One and Done Andrade did with it.

"Jacobs is a little more well known and he had the GGG fight, but Andrade had a belt, the WBO belt. Canelo had the WBC, WBA and IBF. All he needed was the WBO to get the same 4 he has now at 168. He chose to fight Jacobs who was not a champion then moved up from 160. He was 1 belt away from the undisputed champion at 160….All that stood in the way was Andrade.."

Wrong and wrong. First of all, little more well known? Jacobs was far more proven than Andrade's ever been, and yes he was a champ holding the IBF. And undisputed was never on the table with the IBF declaring he immediately had to come to terms with his mandatory Derev who ended up dragging his feet turning down career high money.

"He’s from the same exact era as Canelo. He’s 31-0. He’s been in the same divisions as Canelo, held belts in those divisions and he’s been on the same networks. It’s at least worth mentioning that if it’s not a duck, it’s pretty clear Canelo doesn’t want to fight him."

Yep, Andrade is from the same era as Canelo (and older) but that's where the similarities end because Andrade has never fought a single champ or ex champ in his career because he turned down the step up opportunities that came his way, unlike Canelo who fought more champs than anyone, but he's the one whose ambition is questioned?

Canelo by 23 accomplished more and displayed more ambition than Andrade in his career. He had a step up fight vs Trout whereas Andrade pulled out of his vs Jermell. Canelo accepted lowball money and met Floyd's catchweight to land a fight with him, then faced high risk/low reward Lara who Andrade was still openly avoiding years later. Imagine how differently Canelo's career would have turned out if he had avoided those fights and instead adopted the attitude of Andrade who's spent the bulk of his career protecting his 0 waiting for cash out.

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Probably the best post I’ve read here. You should send it to Bread mail bag.
I really wish Canelo gives Andrade a shot. I think he stops him in 7 or 8

[The D3vil]

The only thing I would disagree with is, If Crawford career ended right now, he would not get into the HOF. It's possible that after multiple attempts, that the boxing writer's would throw him a bone and he would make it in, but he's not a sure fire first ballot Hall of famer as we speak at this very moment, if he decided to retire right now. I know, you're going to say, multiple division champion, ect ect, and to that I say, at this very moment, there is multiple past champion's, who won titles in multiple divisions and are not in the HOF, it's hard to get in, and just winning belts (especially in this era) does not make u great, it's about quality, not quantity, and the truth of the matter is that Crawford at 34 does not have a signature win, now, this can change if he cleans out the WW division, I'm not going to even mention beating Spence, because we don't know how Spence health is, but he definitely needs to beat Ugas, Ortiz, and boots, maybe Spence if he's available but I'm not going to put everything on a Spence fight. If he accomplished that, it would most likely get him in, or if he goes up and beats Charlo or Castaņo, then it would happen, but untill then....

That's completely false.

The guy completely unified at 140, is a 3 division champion, and was P4P #1 on many lists.

Please, tell me one fighter with Crawford's resume that hasn't gotten into the HOF.

[Thuglife Nelo]

Bread is out here spreading false information/phony Andrade narratives:
"Andrade was the WBO champion at 154 while Canelo was the WBC champion and Canelo had no interest in fighting him.

Wrong. Canelo had lost his titles to Floyd. And Andrade's sole activity as 154 WBO champ was a single defense vs his mandatory Rose while Canelo was busy facing the far more proven Lara (who Andrade wanted no part of. Andrade then pulled out of a Charlo fight, gave up his belt and went MIA while turning down other fights, but he's the avoided fighter in that scenario? lol

"But Andrade gives up his belt and Liam Smith won it and the WBO belt becomes interesting enough for him to move down in weigh to fight for it"

Nope that's not the way it transpired. Canelo didn't swoop in as soon as Andrade gave up his belt, Smith was attempting his third defense as champ which is more than what One and Done Andrade did with it.

"Jacobs is a little more well known and he had the GGG fight, but Andrade had a belt, the WBO belt. Canelo had the WBC, WBA and IBF. All he needed was the WBO to get the same 4 he has now at 168. He chose to fight Jacobs who was not a champion then moved up from 160. He was 1 belt away from the undisputed champion at 160….All that stood in the way was Andrade.."

Wrong and wrong. First of all, little more well known? Jacobs was far more proven than Andrade's ever been, and yes he was a champ holding the IBF. And undisputed was never on the table with the IBF declaring he immediately had to come to terms with his mandatory Derev who ended up dragging his feet turning down career high money.

"He’s from the same exact era as Canelo. He’s 31-0. He’s been in the same divisions as Canelo, held belts in those divisions and he’s been on the same networks. It’s at least worth mentioning that if it’s not a duck, it’s pretty clear Canelo doesn’t want to fight him."

Yep, Andrade is from the same era as Canelo (and older) but that's where the similarities end because Andrade has never fought a single champ or ex champ in his career because he turned down the step up opportunities that came his way, unlike Canelo who fought more champs than anyone, but he's the one whose ambition is questioned?

Canelo by 23 accomplished more and displayed more ambition than Andrade in his career. He had a step up fight vs Trout whereas Andrade pulled out of his vs Jermell. Canelo accepted lowball money and met Floyd's catchweight to land a fight with him, then faced high risk/low reward Lara who Andrade was still openly avoiding years later. Imagine how differently Canelo's career would have turned out if he had avoided those fights and instead adopted the attitude of Andrade who's spent the bulk of his career protecting his 0 waiting for cash out.

Stephen Hatewards got murked. He keeps crying about “same networks” yet doesn’t criticize PBC where a circulation of fighters like Benavidez, Charlo and Plant were all vocal on each other, but “Canelo and Andrade same networks doe.” Lol

typical Breadman propaganda. Turing could figure out Edwards blindfolded by sniffing him in a room!

and regarding Canelo vs Andrade at 160 on DAZN. Canelo was stripped his IBF for that funny Haymon situation advised by DiBella to go to purse bid. There was no point for Undisputed or fight Andrade since he no longer had the IBF and just went to 175. Look at how thin Canelo looked at the 160 scale for GGG. He was bound to 168. As we see how Reynoso calibrates, he likes Canelo to get a feel before ascending down again. 175 back to 168. Cruiser now to 175 indefinitely. It’s a performance calibration that works with current Prime Canelo.

and as my ShoulderRoll likes to credit me… was Bread hard on Bud or Spence the way he is on Canelo hate propaganda. For the past year it’s so great to see posters expose Edwards. It’s obvious. And Hatewards always credits GGG for no wrongdoing and says Canelo aged him out yet Spence and Bud never happened with a narrative way longer than the Mexican vs the Kazakh. Lol. I mean how does Edwards even speak about weight classes or Bud going to 154 when he doesn’t even mention GGG at 168-175? I don’t understand Edwards obsession with GGG. Golovkin is great but he ain’t that great…

[mistermartin]

The only thing I would disagree with is, If Crawford career ended right now, he would not get into the HOF. It's possible that after multiple attempts, that the boxing writer's would throw him a bone and he would make it in, but he's not a sure fire first ballot Hall of famer as we speak at this very moment, if he decided to retire right now. I know, you're going to say, multiple division champion, ect ect, and to that I say, at this very moment, there is multiple past champion's, who won titles in multiple divisions and are not in the HOF, it's hard to get in, and just winning belts (especially in this era) does not make u great, it's about quality, not quantity, and the truth of the matter is that Crawford at 34 does not have a signature win, now, this can change if he cleans out the WW division, I'm not going to even mention beating Spence, because we don't know how Spence health is, but he definitely needs to beat Ugas, Ortiz, and boots, maybe Spence if he's available but I'm not going to put everything on a Spence fight. If he accomplished that, it would most likely get him in, or if he goes up and beats Charlo or Castaņo, then it would happen, but untill then....

You sound ****** as hell. That might get him in YOUR "haters HOF". But the IBHOF would beg to differ. That man is a 2x lineal champion in 2 divs. Undisputed champion .. Fighter of the yr multiple times...Fight of the yr award winner. P4P #1 rated boxer On top of winning titles in 3 divs goofball. Name someone left out the HOF w/ those accomplishments.