Comments Thread For: Groves: Usyk is The Best Talent in The Heavyweight Division

[BangEM]

Man I thought your points were good until....
You lost me on Wilder's scripted KO's of Stiverne Brezeale Ortiz etc
Conspiracy theories on fake fights only to prove your points but the other fights you like are all real
Smh

Wilder throughout his career never knocked anyone out with one punch except the chinny Polish cruiserweight that perpetually gets knocked out (he also battered Wilder for 7 rds or so) until the 2nd Stiverne fight. So where did the one-punch power miraculously come from since he still had zero balance and his bird legs never left?

Also, isn’t it hilarious that everyone he fought after that are PBC fighters and it was a period when he needed hype to build his name up for a better slice of the pie for undisputed fight which makes it an investment?

How come he couldn’t knock out the only non-PBC boxer he fought after that especially a guy who has been dropped by small cruiserweight bums coming of multiple losses despite catching him clean countless times?

It’s interesting there’s a parallel between how everyone Wilder and Jake Paul always someone tend to be in a normal stance with adequate defence but somehow they’ll drop their lead hands and walk into telegraphed punches, lol. No variety - just the same stance all the time. I guess it’s just coincidental. Isn’t it? LMAOOO. Funny how Logan Paul punches harder than Jake but couldn’t knock smaller guys like KSI and Mayweather out (he hit them clean). But Jake with less power is sparking people with one punch, lol.

You generate power from yer legs hence they talk about stepping into yer punches. Isn’t Wilder the same guy that punched up that little troll from YouTube multiple times in the gym and couldn’t knock him out. But somehow after that - he was knocking out huge guys with one punch, lol. Guys like Tank and Teo aren’t even HWs but they’ll put that YouTube troll to sleep with one punch.

[VislorTurlough]

Wilder obsession from the Eddie Incels is friggjn weird, man. Cmon be better in 2022. Break free of Matchroom mind control and living-in-the-past nationalism. Chicks dig it. May just get you laid.

[turnedup]

The same people who thought usyk would get rolled by Joshua changed their tune. Can’t wait for Fury’s fans to be the next ones to get their hopes hit with a Gatorade wake up shower. This dude just styled on the hw champion and played with him. Usyk isn’t slowing down either, I’m gonna go out as far as to say usyk will land twice as many punches as Tyson. I already had someone bet their signature on here. Just like Tyson has legs so does usyk and usyk movement is way better and I’ll go as far as to say Tyson’s body will become his pinata, just watch.

[Gamboal00]

Fury in reality is no more than just 1.5 inches taller than Joshua. Joshua obviously hits harder and is physically stronger. Yet Usyk kicked his ass.

He'll run rings around Fury too. Fury beating Walking Punchbag Wilder twice has really made people think he's got similar skill levels to Usyk. Far from it.

[PRINCEKOOL]

I personally don't think Usyk has the pressure fighting, or inside fighting capability to beat Tyson Fury. The blueprint on how to beat Usyk has already been shown 'Derek Chisora, showed all heavyweights? That Usyk does not really have a elite answer to old school rough house pressure fighting'.

The only reason why Chisora lost that fight, was because he started to fatigue and was no longer implementing his pressure tactics to the high level that was demanded.

Usyk is a good fighter, solid fighter all around. But he is not this matrix type fighter, people are making him out to be. Anthony Joshua has regressed as a fighter, fought the wrong type of fight 'And he still lasted 12 rounds, and was not really beaten up very badly besides in the last round'.

Joshua will beat Usyk in the rematch, and it will not be with a sophisticated game plan. It will be a straight forward persistent and violent game plan. Joshua has already tried the sophisticated all technical game plan 'A style that is not natural to Joshua, and it did not work'.

Note: By Usyk not having the strength, this is nothing to do with his dimensions. I think fighters such as Evander Holyfield and Mike Tyson, other old school heavyweights pound for pound, were just naturally stronger than Usyk. I will be surprised if he overcomes the bombardment which is coming his way in the Joshua vs Uysk rematch etc

I think the fight between Fury & Usyk would be a complete mess, all Tyson Fury's fights from this point on wards will be chaotic. And they will be this way because, Fury does not use movement like he used to anymore, and he is clumsy 'Yet extremely game'. Kronk Fury is really Tyson Fury rediscovering his most innate style, before Peter Fury refined his style and put a big emphasis on his defense, faints and bamboozling warfare.

[hugh grant]

Until usy k loses, groves isn't wrong

[Tonyu]

Alot of people think Fury beats Ussyk because of his size. Furys last 3 fights have bern Wilder who stands at 6ft 7 so he could punch straight forward and until he gased out was giving Fury a fight and even dropped him twice in the 4th. Ussyk will be a different ball game as Ussyk has stamina and proved this many times, he also is considerably shorter than Wilder and Fury will have to punch down. Fury has struggled with smaller guys by going full distance with Wallin and dropped by Cunningham whose not a heavyweight either. Ussyk for me is way better than Cunningham and probably the Heavyweights Lomachenko. I hear this argument To beat Ussyk you need to rough him up and lean on him but Ussyk doesn't stand still comes in at angles and has probably the best footwork and engine in the Heavyweight Division. I don't think it would be an upset if he beats Fury I think its a 50/50 but edge it to Ussyk.

[Jack_sh*t]

I think Usyk is a master boxer and he beats Joshua in the rematch. Joshua has reasonably good fundamentals but he's not on Usyk's level as far as skillset goes, plus his fundamentals go out of the window when he's hurt. Catch him clean and he'll back straight up with his chin in the air, even turn his back. He literally panics and doesn't recover quickly or well.
Compare that to how Fury rises from the dead, shakes his head and goes back to work. I give Usyk more of a chance v Fury, but I'd bet on Fury to take the W. Fury not only has the obvious physical advantages, but he also has more variation in his game.
Fury beats Joshua every day of the week and twice on Sundays. If you can't see that then you're ****in senile.

[bullydean]

Y'all act like Fury has been fighting the same way he did in his first 15 fights. Rough, old school, and looking for the KO.

Fury has grown as a fighter so much that he only goes for the KO when it's a sure thing. Fury has been using his footwork, head movement, and reach to box and counter his opponents.

Chisora roughed Usyk up and AJ held his own for a couple rounds just by tossing a couple jabs. Neither are great boxers or have a good boxing IQ yet both succeeded in their own way.

You're either a AJ/Usyk fanboy or a Fury hater if you don't recognize that Fury no longer relies on his size to win his fights. But at the same time you're a Fury fanboy if you don't realize Usyk is the quicker more technical fighter. Fury is sloppy at times and Sugarhill is improving that but he is still sloppy.

Fury vs Usyk is a 50/50 fight until it happens. There is no way to know if one would steam roll the other without seeing them fight.