Comments Thread For: Fury's Father: Does Joshua Ever Beat Tyson and Wilder? Definitely Not!

[thack]

Wilder v Joshua would be ok until Joshua got tagged and as most know over and out!

[P to the J]

For all of Joshua’s flaws, and there are numerous, he isn’t as poor a boxer as Wilder is. All things being equal, I think Joshua has enough of a combination of power and punch variation to beat him.

The problem is, all things AREN’T equal. Joshua is stylistically uncertain now, has mediocre head movement and a poor guard. If your improvements in these areas aren’t significant enough to be worth it, you may as well bomb forward into the pocket, which is the key to taking away Wilder’s right cross and Joshua’s best strategic chance of winning.

Problem is, he’s never sure whether he should do this or try to box. Dangerous game against a tough and single-minded Wilder. I think it’s a sign of Joshua’s poor ring IQ that he appears not to know what tactics to apply against which fighters and what adjustments he needs to make midnight. His current corner won’t help with this.

Let’s get it on.

[Jack_sh*t]

An in his prime Tyson, probably knocks them all out in the first round. Mike could actually box, and he intimidated his opponents so much, they would freeze, cover up, and let Mike hit them. They wouldn't be able to take flush hits from Tyson and continue to be able to stand. Not until an out of his prime Tyson, did Holyfield show how to handle Mike in the first few rounds.

And who would you rate as Iron Mike's best win?

[Jack_sh*t]

AJ would go down from the first hard shot by Fury or Wilder. Joshua is the biggest fraud in the heavyweight division I’ve ever seen, going as far back to the Floyd Patterson, Sonny Liston, Cassius Clay/Muhammad Ali era. There’s a chihuahua inside of that bronze Joshua exterior. Actually - that’s an unfair knock on the chihuahua.

I think you're forgetting FrAudley Harrison?

[hugh grant]

Wilder v Joshua would be ok until Joshua got tagged and as most know over and out!

When FFF, triple F aka feather fisted fury landed on wilder wilder fell down x3, that's all she wrote.
What do you think will happen when atom bomb Anthony lands on that spider leg 238lb

[Jack_sh*t]

Wilder has put Fury down a total of four times, and Fury has gotten up every time.
Given that Fury's defence is better than Joshua's, does AJ manage to avoid being caught by Wilder?
I think not.

So, if AJ is caught by Wilder, does he get up ala Fury? Or does he say 'No mas?'
Based on the adversity he faced v Vlad and also Fat Andy, I think maybe he gets up the first time, depending on how well Deontay connects obv.

Wilder has been floored by Fury five times, six if you count the KD in the second fight that Kenny Clueless called a slip.
He's gotten up every time but one.
If AJ connects on him, what are the chances of him getting back up and fighting on?
Pretty good I'd say. He showed enormous will, desire and resilience in the last two fights v Fury.

I know triangle theories are flawed, but betting men have to make a judgement. I'm disappointed that AJ lost to Fury from the perspective of how it will affect the odds if we do get Fury v AJ, but I find the prospect of Fury v Usyk the most intriguing fight.

As a fan of the sport before a fan of any particular fighter, I think Fury v Usyk is the most difficult fight to call. Fury has more advantages on paper, but can he force Usyk to fight his fight or will Usyk be able to make it a pure boxing match?
I predict it will be a battle of their ring IQ's, maybe the least exciting for the casual's but a treat for those for who favour sweet science over straight violence.

[BangEM]

WATER IS WET.

Who do they expect him say? - he beats both with one hand tied to the back?

Obviously, he's going to say that as Fury's dad. Especially on the fat Geordie cu..nt's channel - a guy who slurps Tyson Fury 24/7.

[Lefty0616]

Tyson would be chicken tenders against Fury or Wilder. Iron Mike never faired well against true heavyweights. Tyson’s punches wouldn’t reach Fury’s *******. Fury would have tremendous leverage against Mike. Buster Douglas exposed Tyson and his small, heavyweight status.

Review your history of Mike Tyson. Tyson destroyed all of his opposition in his prime. And he fought huge heavyweights. The only heavyweights that he did not ko was Mitch Green, Tillis, and Tony Tucker. By the time Tyson faced Buster Douglas, he was no longer a focused boxer. He was partying, not training as hard, and going through the motions by then.

[P to the J]

Review your history of Mike Tyson. Tyson destroyed all of his opposition in his prime. And he fought huge heavyweights. The only heavyweights that he did not ko was Mitch Green, Tillis, and Tony Tucker. By the time Tyson faced Buster Douglas, he was no longer a focused boxer. He was partying, not training as hard, and going through the motions by then.

I love prime Mike Tyson and I know this is arguably
not a great HW era, nor can we even be 100% certain who is the best HW within it…

But anyone who thinks a guy with Fury’s dimensions and intelligence wouldn’t be a hard night’s work for any boxer of any era needs to look again.

I speculate that Fury’s the only HW from the present that might live with Prime Mike and that’s despite the fact that I’m banking on Usyk decisioning him when they face each other.

[turnedup]

Let’s be honest here. If all three men were 6’ 2” and didn’t have insane size advantages would we really care about them? My money is no. We’ve come to the point where just being huge is now the main criteria for heavyweight. Fury at least started as a kid but the vast majority of hw fighters these days are failed at another sport and came to boxing as a last out. Hell chinny Seth Mitchell made some good money with the equivalent of a cotton ball as a chin. We cannot discount just how much extra weight and reach most of theee guys have. Would they compete in any era? Yeah, the advantages wouldn’t change but they’d lose because they don’t have the gas tank of the old champs either.