Wilders jab has deteriorated

[New England]

To be fair, Ortiz two best wins are Jennings and Allen. He hasn't really fought anyone with the ability to KO him cold like Wilder. Saying that, Wilders power is not overrated in my opinion. That's one thing he definitely has in abundance, along with grit and durability.

bro ortiz came up as a cuban heavyweight in the amateurs. those guys can all flat out ****ing ****. they box amateur as grown ass men. in the weight classes they're all spoilers but at HW they're out there to ****ing kill you

[Pugilist89]

bro ortiz came up as a cuban heavyweight in the amateurs. those guys can all flat out ****ing ****. they box amateur as grown ass men. in the weight classes they're all spoilers but at HW they're out there to ****ing kill you

Including Ortiz...

[soul_survivor]

Name a fighter Mike tyson knocked down who wasn't knocked down by others. He failed to KO both Bonecrusher and Mitch Green, both of who'm got TKO’ed later by skrubs.

Larry Holmes had been knocked down by Mike Weaver and Earnie Shavers prior to Tyson. Maybe other too. Spinks took a dive..Marvis Frazier was knocked out by Larry Holmes... You know, that power puncher.

You can do this all day.

But the guys Tyson was KOing were still world level opponents. My point is Ortiz has one mediocre win on his resume, that's not enough to claim Wilder is the geratest heavyweight puncher ever.

And just so you know lil boy, Tyson isn't regarded as the greatest puncher either, many people bring up Foreman and Shavers as superior.