Division by division: The greatest fighters of all time (Ring)

[clmags12]

The article in more detail :

https://www.ringtv.com/627200-divisi...s-of-all-time/

How each expert voted (fighter and divisions): https://www.ringtv.com/628047-dbd-voting-stats/

I enjoyed the read. Thanks for the article brother.

[Mr Giggles]

I bet these ‘experts’ didn’t even see half of these fighters fight! None of them saw jack Johnson fight so how can they put him in the top 5? All they going by is hear say and a few seconds of footage where he’s fighting some dudes wayyyyy smaller than him.

you can only judge fighters you have seen.

For example the best heavyweight is Lennox Lewis cause I never saw Muhammad Ali Frazier or foreman, but I saw Lewis Tyson klitschko Holyfield Joshua Wilder fury and Lennox Lewis was by far the best

lennox Lewis had everything, heart chin determination warrior mentality and the boxing ability

[buddyr]

Probably going to get shot down in flames but floyd not in the top 5 of WW seems a bit off he literally dominated 147 with ease just as much as LW and same for Pac

do you really think floyd is a top 5 ww all time? seriously?

[buddyr]

I bet these ‘experts’ didn’t even see half of these fighters fight! None of them saw jack Johnson fight so how can they put him in the top 5? All they going by is hear say and a few seconds of footage where he’s fighting some dudes wayyyyy smaller than him.

you can only judge fighters you have seen.

For example the best heavyweight is Lennox Lewis cause I never saw Muhammad Ali Frazier or foreman, but I saw Lewis Tyson klitschko Holyfield Joshua Wilder fury and Lennox Lewis was by far the best

lennox Lewis had everything, heart chin determination warrior mentality and the boxing ability

so because you have no idea of history, those that do must cater to your feelings? So what you're saying is that teachers in school shouldn't teach history in class because they weren't there to witness it?

[davef]

do you really think floyd is a top 5 ww all time? seriously?

Lineal Welterweight Champion (2006-07; 2015), IBF (2006 ), WBC (2006-07, 2011-15), WBA (2014-15), WBO (2015)

Win over an ATG in pac and absolutely dominated everyone else he faced there except 2 punches by SSM and a rough house 1st fight vs Maidana. At 37 years old, Mayweather simultaneously held multiple world titles undisputed in two different weight classes a feat only 3 or 4 men have achieved in boxing history all while past his prime going 9-0 at WW beating 8 former or at the time current champions

So yes.. yes I do

[daggum]

Probably going to get shot down in flames but floyd not in the top 5 of WW seems a bit off he literally dominated 147 with ease just as much as LW and same for Pac

floyd never dominated lw. he fought one top 10 fighter there and most people had him going 1-1. hardly a domination. you mean 130? also dominating 147 with ease is a stretch seeing as he "missed" all the good guys in their primes and was left with baldomir and a bunch of old guys.i think thats where they docked him points. the other guys dont have "dominating" resumes but they fought better opponents even in losing some fights so we can get a better idea of their level where its hard to know what floyds level was since he wasnt fighting top guys.

[davef]

floyd never dominated lw. he fought one top 10 fighter there and most people had him going 1-1. hardly a domination. you mean 130? also dominating 147 with ease is a stretch seeing as he "missed" all the good guys in their primes and was left with baldomir and a bunch of old guys.i think thats where they docked him points. the other guys dont have "dominating" resumes but they fought better opponents even in losing some fights so we can get a better idea of their level where its hard to know what floyds level was since he wasnt fighting top guys.

I stand corrected you are right 130*

Floyd missed who tho? Williams and Margarito? He beat the guy who stopped Margarito in his previous fight right after anyway and Cotto he faced at 154 a much harder challenge than at WW you got to remember this was not Floyd's peak for half of that welterweight run and although not officially he pitched basically shut outs in many of them

Should be noted only older guys he faced were Marquez and Mosely the rest were younger than Floyd

[daggum]

Lineal Welterweight Champion (2006-07; 2015), IBF (2006 ), WBC (2006-07, 2011-15), WBA (2014-15), WBO (2015)

Win over an ATG in pac and absolutely dominated everyone else he faced there except 2 punches by SSM and a rough house 1st fight vs Maidana. At 37 years old, Mayweather simultaneously held multiple world titles undisputed in two different weight classes a feat only 3 or 4 men have achieved in boxing history all while past his prime going 9-0 at WW beating 8 former or at the time current champions

So yes.. yes I do

who did he beat though? baldomir to win the lineal title? come on man. you think beating baldomir is worthwhile at all? no one says leonard won the lineal title they say leonard beat: benitez, duran, and hearns. that speaks for itself. you just dont want to say he beat baldomir because its embarrassing.

also he dominated everyone else he fought there...which was no one good. wow great job. and i dont even think thats true because if you are picking weak opponents you shouldnt be getting nearly ko'd by a shot mosley or going life and death with maidana who was dominated by alexander. it kinda pokes holes in the "im unbeatable" narrative when things like that happen against weak opponents. he didnt even look very good against judah to be honest losing 4 rounds and getting dropped so im not sure where this domination comes from? also pac landed almost all the clean punches in that fight while floyd struggled to graze pac with a jab. once again where is the domination that you speak of? thats a good number of fights where he didnt dominate. not that "dominating" means anything since level of comp is much more important. leonard never dominated hearns, benitez, or duran so i guess floyd is better. leonard simply won tough fights. exposed! he should have fought 9 davey boy greens!

[daggum]

I stand corrected you are right 130*

Floyd missed who tho? Williams and Margarito? He beat the guy who stopped Margarito in his previous fight right after anyway and Cotto he faced at 154 a much harder challenge than at WW you got to remember this was not Floyd's peak for half of that welterweight run and although not officially he pitched basically shut outs in many of them

Should be noted only older guys he faced were Marquez and Mosely the rest were younger than Floyd

they were old boxers period. you dont get special im even older points. mosley beating marg does not mean floyd beating mosley is a better win than floyd beating prime marg. do you see how floyd always ends up fighting the old guy or the one win wonder guy and never the prime guy when hes dominating? why couldnt floyd fight cotto after he beat mosley? or marg after he beat cotto? oh old mosley got an upset win now hes ready to fight the best when the best happens to be an old man coming off an upset win lol. just do that with any current fighter thats on top now. pretend some old guy like kesller comes in and knocks off canelo. are you saying beating kessler would be better than beating prime canelo? nonsensical. also how do you think kessler would fare going forward in future fights? prob not very well given the probabilities and we saw how mosley looked after that marg fight...horrible! how can you ignore that? its not like he had anything left against floyd, pac, mora, canelo etc...if he did then you could say hey good win he gave them a good fight but he didnt have anything left against anyone! he was donezo!

cotto had been brutally beat down twice and never beat anyone good above 147(crippled martinez included). im not sure how beating cotto at 154 can be considered a harder challenge? once again this seems like floyd is getting special "im small" or special "im old" points and you arent focusing on how good the fighter he is facing actually is. cotto at 154 did nothing. just look at his resume and you will see that. no top wins at all. cotto at 147 did a hell of a lot and beating him there is clearly a much better win since his resume was great there and he was prime there. floyd had the chance to fight him there...and he didnt. at 154 he was past his best, has no resume, and never looked as good. the guy lost to austin trout...harder challenge? wat. beat #7 ranked foreman, beat unranked mayorga, beat unranked marg, lost to trout, lost to floyd. thats not a good run at all. at 147 he beat a bunch of top guys: mosley, judah, quintana, clottey, eric crumble. he was clearly a much bigger challenge but like i said floyd knows when to pick them off. you seem genuinely convinced of the things you say so im not trying to attack you. i just dont know how you can not see it.

[davef]

they were old boxers period. you dont get special im even older points. mosley beating marg does not mean floyd beating mosley is a better win than floyd beating prime marg. do you see how floyd always ends up fighting the old guy or the one win wonder guy and never the prime guy when hes dominating? why couldnt floyd fight cotto after he beat mosley? or marg after he beat cotto? oh old mosley got an upset win now hes ready to fight the best when the best happens to be an old man coming off an upset win lol. just do that with any current fighter thats on top now. pretend some old guy like kesller comes in and knocks off canelo. are you saying beating kessler would be better than beating prime canelo? nonsensical. also how do you think kessler would fare going forward in future fights? prob not very well given the probabilities and we saw how mosley looked after that marg fight...horrible! how can you ignore that? its not like he had anything left against floyd, pac, mora, canelo etc...if he did then you could say hey good win he gave them a good fight but he didnt have anything left against anyone! he was donezo!

cotto had been brutally beat down twice and never beat anyone good above 147. im not sure how beating cotto at 154 can be considered a harder challenge? once again this seems like floyd is getting special "im small" or special "im old" points and you arent focusing on how good the fighter he is facing actually is. cotto at 154 did nothing. just look at his resume and you will see that. cotto at 147 did a hell of a lot and beating him there is clearly a much better win since his resume was great there and he was prime there. at 154 he was past his best, has no resume, and never looked as good. the guy lost to austin trout...harder challenge? wat.

You going to deny Cotto clearly was stronger than Floyd at 154? Why if Cotto was so much less of a fighter at higher weights did he hold the damn Middleweight title lol only losing it to Canelo who has gone on to dominate? Wasn't Cotto with Top Rank at the time also? and as soon as he wasnt floyd fought him you seem to be forgetting the boxing politics at that time and just pushing the blame on Mayweather as you are convinced he out right ducked without looking at the landscape


What was Floyd supposed to do in regards to Margarito once Shane bust him up? It pure conjecture to say he avoided him when Floyd was signed to Top Rank and dealing with Bob Arum at the time we will never know the truth. How can you say Shane looked Horrible when it was a great win vs the boogie man of 147 and his next fight and after was Floyd then even further down he line he went the distance with both Pac and Canelo who both didnt even do a much better job of it and yet floyd gets criticized for beating a version coming off a good win and younger?

Right and Old boxers being beaten by an even older boxer is a problem? Lets be real the way you were talking in your original post you were creating the narrative Floyd was beating up on old men while he was young and prime now you are flipping it off as yea but day old doh ..suppose that's Floyds fault the top 10 was stacked with them? Where are these super young guys he avoided name them? go look at the rankings for WW from 2008 nearly every damn fighter in the top 10 was either Floyd's age or younger than him wtf

doesn't matter Floyd should be 5th on that list he was dominate even out of his prime moving up to that division and he has PACs scalp on his record who is going to be an all time great in history a win that counts more to his legacy than beating Margarito the mummy