Comments Thread For: Roy Jones: Pacquiao Leaves an Absolutely Marvelous Legacy, Will Not Regret Loss To Mayweather

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Everything about fight was controversial. The fact there was no rematch when it was expected to have one is controversial in itself.
The fight was extremely competitive. You don't understand that just because scorecards say Floyd won comfortably it don't tell story. You saying it was like a sparring session for Floyd So Pac don't deserve rematch? Well it was for Pac too. It was comfortable for Pac to. It was easy as Floyd didn't want to fight. No wonder Pac thinks he beat floyd it felt easy and Pac didn't feel like he'd been in a fight. Floyd owes fans another fight as he had home advantage and controversial IV and didn't ko Pac like he predict and didn't even look like he was trying to.? So Floyd owes fans who netted money on him koing pac.

There's actually nothing about fight that wasn't controversial

who expected or even wanted a rematch other than you pac fans who are still being delusional about the fight 6 yrs later? I don’t need a judges scorecard to know what I saw. I saw a boring uneventful fight where pac was rendered in effective and won maybe 4 rounds at best. I then saw him make up one of his many excuses that he likes to make after losses and say he had a bad shoulder. I don’t know about you, but I don’t care to see rematches of boring fights that the closest score anyone with sense would have is 8 rounds to 4. You only wanted it to happen because you still can’t live with the loss. Move on with your life. The rest of the world has.

[Oregonian]

You must have me confused with another poster, I don't argue about dlh and mosley vs Floyd timelines.

But you fail to mention Floyd moved up to 147 after Gatti fight at 140, at the end of 05. So Floyd was campaigning at ww way before Manny/Cotto at the end off 09 with a introduction CW to WW for Manny. Manny just fought for the 140 strap from Hatton beginning of 09.

A serious conversation about May and Pac at WW is post Cotto.

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My apologies, I just presumed you were one of those unreasonable guys.
The Cotto conversation is a conversation to have. Context though - Floyd moved up to 140 and beat up Gatti, he called out Cotto who had been campaigning at 140 his whole career. Cotto’s team refused in fact his then trainer and uncle Evangelista was quoted saying “Cotto wasn’t ready for a guy that just moved up to 140”.

Two, and this is the most pertinent, Bob Arum categorically stated that he would never allow Cotto to fight Floyd.
The part where I’d fault Floyd is, Floyd should have forced that fight because Cotto wanted the fight too but I understand the ego aspect of it all between Arum and Floyd.

[Oregonian]

Everything about fight was controversial. The fact there was no rematch when it was expected to have one is controversial in itself.
The fight was extremely competitive. You don't understand that just because scorecards say Floyd won comfortably it don't tell story. You saying it was like a sparring session for Floyd So Pac don't deserve rematch? Well it was for Pac too. It was comfortable for Pac to. It was easy as Floyd didn't want to fight. No wonder Pac thinks he beat floyd it felt easy and Pac didn't feel like he'd been in a fight. Floyd owes fans another fight as he had home advantage and controversial IV and didn't ko Pac like he predict and didn't even look like he was trying to.? So Floyd owes fans who betted money on him koing pac.

There's actually nothing about fight that wasn't controversial

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Perhaps Floyd should have given Cotto a rematch too. Maybe even Mosley because of those two ounces in round 2?
Victor Ortiz also deserved a rematch, no?
Maybe even Oscar?
Hatto was also begging for a rematch because Cortez didn’t “allow” him to fight his fight.
Marquez too wanted a rematch because he would have beaten Floyd at 144?
Canelo and Guerrero also wanted rematches so Floyd ducked them.

Meanwhile, PAC and his rabid fans have excuses for all his fights - shoulder injury, cramps, lucky punch, robbery and the best one is “PAC won the rematch better”.

[hugh grant]

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Perhaps Floyd should have given Cotto a rematch too. Maybe even Mosley because of those two ounces in round 2?
Victor Ortiz also deserved a rematch, no?
Maybe even Oscar?
Hatto was also begging for a rematch because Cortez didn’t “allow” him to fight his fight.
Marquez too wanted a rematch because he would have beaten Floyd at 144?
Canelo and Guerrero also wanted rematches so Floyd ducked them.

Meanwhile, PAC and his rabid fans have excuses for all his fights - shoulder injury, cramps, lucky punch, robbery and the best one is “PAC won the rematch better”.

I dont think you quite get it. Rematch your best oppoents who even with a loss over you will be greater. I dont expect Floyd to rematch Gatti, Baldomir, Guerrero, or all the other bums he beat comfortably. But he could rematch the guys he had advantages over like JMM, like floyd could try come in under 144 like agreed. And of course DLH, why not? Nelo and Pac who many feel is greater than floyd and its not close

[Oregonian]

I dont think you quite get it. Rematch your best oppoents who even with a loss over you will be greater. I dont expect Floyd to rematch Gatti, Baldomir, Guerrero, or all the other bums he beat comfortably. But he could rematch the guys he had advantages over like JMM, like floyd could try come in under 144 like agreed. And of course DLH, why not? Nelo and Pac who many feel is greater than floyd and its not close

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Floyd beat PAC and so did 7 other guys and he’s greater than Floyd??
I bet you think Brandon Rios is better than Gatti? Perhaps a weight drained Margarito who had just been KO’d by Mosley or a Mosley who had just lost to Floyd?

[BodyBagz]

I dont think you quite get it. Rematch your best oppoents who even with a loss over you will be greater. I dont expect Floyd to rematch Gatti, Baldomir, Guerrero, or all the other bums he beat comfortably. But he could rematch the guys he had advantages over like JMM, like floyd could try come in under 144 like agreed. And of course DLH, why not? Nelo and Pac who many feel is greater than floyd and its not close

Rematch Pac ???

After the post fight bullshlt with his so called training camp injury ???

Let Pac make his own super fight !

[clmags12]

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My apologies, I just presumed you were one of those unreasonable guys.
The Cotto conversation is a conversation to have. Context though - Floyd moved up to 140 and beat up Gatti, he called out Cotto who had been campaigning at 140 his whole career. Cotto’s team refused in fact his then trainer and uncle Evangelista was quoted saying “Cotto wasn’t ready for a guy that just moved up to 140”.

Two, and this is the most pertinent, Bob Arum categorically stated that he would never allow Cotto to fight Floyd.
The part where I’d fault Floyd is, Floyd should have forced that fight because Cotto wanted the fight too but I understand the ego aspect of it all between Arum and Floyd.

I must have not smoked enough for me to see the conversation go from Manny not chasing Floyd in 05 to 08. To why Cotto and Floyd did not link up when Cotto was still at 140.

This was definitely a match up I wanted to see as well. You may be correct in saying Team Cotto, but not Cotto himself wanted no part of Floyd at the time.
And also TR vs Floyd after Floyd left. Good luck with any fight getting made.

[Roadblock]

I must have not smoked enough for me to see the conversation go from Manny not chasing Floyd in 05 to 08. To why Cotto and Floyd did not link up when Cotto was still at 140.

This was definitely a match up I wanted to see as well. You may be correct in saying Team Cotto, but not Cotto himself wanted no part of Floyd at the time.
And also TR vs Floyd after Floyd left. Good luck with any fight getting made.

Its always the team and management that stop fights from happening, Manny wanted to fight Floyd his promotor did not because he off all people he knew that Floyd would kill the goose that laid the Golden Egg, He had a lot more milking of Manny to do before risking it all on Floyd.

[Oregonian]

I must have not smoked enough for me to see the conversation go from Manny not chasing Floyd in 05 to 08. To why Cotto and Floyd did not link up when Cotto was still at 140.

This was definitely a match up I wanted to see as well. You may be correct in saying Team Cotto, but not Cotto himself wanted no part of Floyd at the time.
And also TR vs Floyd after Floyd left. Good luck with any fight getting made.

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I think we all get caught up in debates that it almost always veers into other fighters.
I do have a question for you - If Floyd-Cotto happened in 2008, how do you think the fight plays out?

[clmags12]

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I think we all get caught up in debates that it almost always veers into other fighters.
I do have a question for you - If Floyd-Cotto happened in 2008, how do you think the fight plays out?

Lol, getting sidetracked is easy.

Really good match up in 08, even if it was one of Floyd's retirements (end of 07 to 09).
For Floyd -right after Hatton and DLH and for Cotto -right after Gomez and Mosely. (Before Marg 1). The fight would have to be at WW.

Close fight but Floyd edges Cotto. It would be very similar to their fight at the higher weight but both would be younger of course and more than likely more active.