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Bivol and Beterbiev both beat Canelo, but he won`t fight them.
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Everybody watched Rocky 4 and saw how Rocky beat the untouchable Drago with sheer will and determination..... after that nobody feared the eastern euros they knew they weren't untouchable.Comment
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its great to see different regions nationalities involved in boxing, the more the better imo, i hope more like loma ggg kov come through, most stay too long in the ams tho for whatever reason and have shorter pro careers as a result, i think all of them had great careers, so no hypejobs for me, there are actually far more hype jobs around nowComment
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There's a super old post somewhere on this forum where I explain the flow of history in detail but the long and short of it is Eastern Europe tends to lose to Brits when they lose dominance and then the North Americans beat the Brits when they fall.
I know that sounds like me saying Fury beat Wlad and Wilder will beat Fury, but I'm not. I didn't then attach names to it and I'm not now, all I am saying is before the English and after Rome the Rus would be who continued the theories of Roman boxing. Until the Brits beat them up, until the Americans beat up the Brits.
**** done happened, started to happen again, it is the flow of things....at HW. I don't have a clue why anyone would have ever claimed any EE dominance outside of HW. When 3G was the man Canelo was a big rival....not some other EE. Loma's great secondary EE? See my point? HW-LHW had an EE period and still kinda does, everyone else just has some EEs, they ain't dominant. How anyone calls any EE who wasn't a HW-LHW dominant during the Money-Pac era is well beyond me. It was Money, Pac, and some Mexicans. Behind Wlad, for most of his career, the 2 was an EE too. Pov, Chagaev, even Sultan for a bit, you know the dudes.
Anyway, same point as I made in 2013, EEs are just a people, they will fall, British might reign a hundred years but they're just a people too, they will fall, and then America is back but only for a period before the EEs take them out, wash and repeat, we ain't got no room for France and **** which is why France and **** ain't never dominated boxing or a division in boxing.Comment
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I think Paulie could have phrased it differently, for sure. But when he said that, at the time we had Usyk as undisputed cruiserweight champion. Loma was nearly undisputed at lightweight. Govazdyk and Beterbiev were the two champions at light heavyweight. GGG ruled the middleweight division until he was robbed. And you had the Klitschko bros reigning for years at the heavyweight division.
I think this was pushback against the LDBC narrative that's been driving many boxing debates. And I think that Paulie was thinking from a historical perspective that you have certain demographics being dominant in boxing in different eras. ***ish boxers. Italian boxers. So on and so forth.
That's really what that was all about.Comment
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At the time Paulie said that, there were way more African American champions than Eastern European ones.
So he made a racially charged comment that was also completely untrue when he was working for a network that heavily focuses on African-American content.
I have no pity for a man that ******.Comment
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Drinking 192 proof vodka and fighting each other over parking spaces ??Comment
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Honestly, we may have just seen the golden era of Eastern Europeans/Russians from 2010-2018. Not saying there aren't any good Eastern Europeans right now, but may we have just seen the peak of it. Guys like Lomachenko, Usyk, Beterbiev, Kovalev etc all were on the top around the same time. That Ukrainian 2012 class was ridiculously talented. You have some good fighters like Bivol/MJ but they just need bigger opportunities. MJ is a unified champion and beat Roman so not so much him, but Bivol's career indeed has been trash for the last few years...He is now fighting Ryder in a fight no one wants to see and then will be fighting Buatsi in early 2022..And that is a fight I will be looking forward to.Comment
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