My thoughts on Mosley-Clottey and why im picking..

[Pullcounter]

your stating your opinions as if they are facts. ill agree to disagree with you..but i just get the impression you dont like clottey.

I do like clottey, I picked him to beat cotto but get robbed in MSG; but clottey gave away the last 2 rounds and so cotto won.

clottey did the exact same thing against margo... he quit throwing punches. this is nothing new. we know clottey is not active enough. WE KNOW IT!!!!

also how is he not a good inside fighter?

he throws good uppercuts on the inside

you got to be joking with me..how many of his fights have you watched?

all the big ones

im also getting sick and tired of hearing people say he doesnt let his hands go.

you shouldn't because its true

ive already had this conversation with you in another thread..cotto was literally running from him in the last couple rounds and every time clottey got close cotto clinched him.

maybe clottey should've punched when he got close instead of wait on cotto.

and in the margarito fight he injured his hand, which i dont think was BS because he went from whooping margarito's ass the first 4 or 5 rounds to not throwing ANY punches at all in the very next round..

i used to believe that clottey hurt his hands, and maybe I still do, but he has proven that when in front of elite opponents, his activity tapers off.

you mean to tell me he gassed?

i'm not sure what it is, but he stops throwing punches.

its like you dont want to give the dude any credit at all..

i do give him credit.... he's a very tough opponent at WW, but at best he's a contender and at worst he's a gatekeeper.

i swear some of the people on here are ridiculous

i know, especially dudes that keep making threads about drinking urine.

[Tmann400]

I do like clottey, I picked him to beat cotto but get robbed in MSG; but clottey gave away the last 2 rounds and so cotto won.

clottey did the exact same thing against margo... he quit throwing punches. this is nothing new. we know clottey is not active enough. WE KNOW IT!!!!

hes plenty active enough considering the defense he has, its almost impossible to land flush on the guy. in his fight with judah, judah threw probably 20 more punches than clottey in most of the rounds but clottey was landing the cleaner, more affective shots. and in my opinion the last two rounds wont even play that much of a part in this fight with mosley because nhes going to win most of the early to midrounds, and the judges wont be able to rob him. also take into consideration mosley most likely wont get the nod unless he deserves it. he was the favorite to win against mayorga and one of the judges had him losing the fight going into the 12th round. so were not going to see what we did in the cotto-clottey fight with the judges, IMO.

[Iceta]

your stating your opinions as if they are facts. ill agree to disagree with you..but i just get the impression you dont like clottey. also how is he not a good inside fighter? you got to be joking with me..how many of his fights have you watched? im also getting sick and tired of hearing people say he doesnt let his hands go. ive already had this conversation with you in another thread..cotto was literally running from him in the last couple rounds and every time clottey got close cotto clinched him. and in the margarito fight he injured his hand, which i dont think was BS because he went from whooping margarito's ass the first 4 or 5 rounds to not throwing ANY punches at all in the very next round..you mean to tell me he gassed? its like you dont want to give the dude any credit at all..i swear some of the people on here are ridiculous

I don't think Clottey's hand was injured in the fight against Margarito. I think that was to cover up how poor he performed in the late portion of the fight. The dude has always gone through stretches of not punching. He has done it against other opponents besides Margarito and Cotto. He did it a lot against Felix Flores on VS. Clottey is a bench mark for the top 5 of the division just like Pull said.

[Pullcounter]

hes plenty active enough considering the defense he has, its almost impossible to land flush on the guy.

yep, but he can be outworked.

in his fight with judah, judah threw probably 20 more punches than clottey in most of the rounds but clottey was landing the cleaner, more affective shots.

yep, but judah is a front runner.

and in my opinion the last two rounds wont even play that much of a part in this fight with mosley because nhes going to win most of the early to midrounds, and the judges wont be able to rob him.

yeah... but for reals he's gonna get out worked.

also take into consideration mosley most likely wont get the nod unless he deserves it. he was the favorite to win against mayorga and one of the judges had him losing the fight going into the 12th round.

meh...

so were not going to see what we did in the cotto-clottey fight with the judges, IMO.

well, clottey wasn't robbed against cotto, even tho he needed a KO to win that fight in MSG, but for sure clottey will get a more fair verdict against mosley anywhere than w/ cotto in MSG.

[Bushbaby]

If Clottey averaged 200 more punches a fight,he beats any welterweight,active right now,but the problem is,he doesn't!!Clottey's inactivity beats him more than any opponent does!!But in this fight,Mosley will be older,I think it's too close to call,really!!

[Pullcounter]

If Clottey averaged 200 more punches a fight,he beats any welterweight,active right now,but the problem is,he doesn't!!Clottey's inactivity beats him more than any opponent does!!But in this fight,Mosley will be older,I think it's too close to call,really!!

yeah... but you can't take advantage of an older boxer if you don't let your hands go.

[Iceta]

clottey to win.

now we all know mosley is coming off of a great performance. but like ive said before margarito was caught trying to cheat and when he goes in there to fight without plaster he gets exposed to looking like an F level fighter against mosley. so when you think about it how great was that performance in reality? if mosley had been looking on top of his game before the fight than i would not be bringing this up as much of a factor.

but he wasnt looking on top of his game. because just 4 months previous to the margarito fight he fought a washed up ricardo mayorga who was never the most technically sound fighter. and mosley was having BIG problems with mayorga and in my opinon was losing up until the final round where he knocked mayorga out. so in my opinion mosley is more past it than some realize.

keep in mind also he will be coming off of almost a year layoff when he steps inside the ring with clottey. (this is just my opinion and view on things)

now clottey is coming off of a decision loss to miguel cotto in which many thought he won the fight, including me. so he is still on top of his game.

i see this fight going like this. mosley's speed will be neutralized by clottey's defense, jab and lead right hand which mosley is wide open for. i also see mosley trying to clinch clottey to get his stuff together, but he will fail to do so because yes he may be the taller fighter but physically he is much smaller frame wise, i see clottey out muscling him inside and will be firing left hooks to the body. shane then will get frustrated and off of his game and will start throwing wild punches, which will leave him even more susceptible to counters from clottey. i see clottey winning by UD with scores of 116-112.

NOTE: i am not comparing his losses to winky wright as a blue print for a clottey win, because in my opinion wright and clottey are completely different fighters with the only similarity is that they both use the earmuff defense, and even that they use the defense differently than one another.

let me know what you think, and what your analysis is and why you feel it will play out a certain way.

Mosley wasn't really losing against Mayorga, he just didn't look up to par until the KO. He probably had to adjust to training to fight a conventional fighter after Zab Judah pulled out of their fight. I know Clottey is a lot more skilled than Mayorga, but at the same time he isn't as powerful and is not as aggressive.